============================================================================ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:51:09 -0800 From: Jim Bearden <•••@••.•••> X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: •••@••.••• Subject: Re: cj#1153> Why rig an election if the outcome is irrelevant? "Richard K. Moore" wrote: ... > Another outcome, quite likely, is the abolition of the electoral- college system. I'm not sure that would make a decisive difference in anything, but it is one more step away from locally-based democracy, and one step closer to totally centralized advertising campaigns in place of political campaigns. Richard-- While I agree with most of what you wrote in this message, I find it strange that you would believe that abolition of the electoral college is "likely". The electoral college favors small states over larger ones (based on the ratio of voters to electoral votes, for example, a vote in Wyoming is considered to be 3.5 times as important as my vote, in California); rural and suburban (read "white") voters over urban (read "black and brown") ones; and in this election, it favored the (more corporate-friendly) Republicans, since Gore got most of the large states, won the popular vote, but is apparently going to lose the electoral vote. It also serves to lock out minority parties-- Nader should have gotten 2 of California's electoral votes, based on the votes he got here, but he actually got none. It would take a Constitutional amendment to abolish the electoral college, supported by 2/3 of each house of Congress and 3/4 of the states-- in other words, a large majority of major-party politicians, and of smaller states, would have to vote to give up their own advantages under the present system. I don't expect this to happen any time soon... Jim Bearden =========== Dear Jim, Your logic is sound but your assumptions are flawed. You are assuming, for example, that American politics is party politics, which was somewhat true a decade or two ago, but isn't any longer. Both parties serve corporate interests and the fake competition every four years is simply a circus designed to create the appearance of a democratic process. One could easily construct an argument like yours to prove that NAFTA could never have been passed. NAFTA was bad news for workers, farmers, and union members, and yet Democrats were pushing it through. By your kind of argument, they shouldn't have been. There's no real connecton anymore between voting records and getting elected, nor any real competition among parties. Elites pick a candidate from each party to run against each other, and then they make up some issue to run on, designed to raise emotions, and not related to any kind of legitimate political logic. It is clear that direct election is preferred by corporate interests, because that reduces elections to a tv campaign targetted at big-city populations. But that in itself wouldn't lead me to think something was afoot. The signals are in the media, whose job it is to prepare us for planned changes. And the media has been making a big deal about the electoral college. You can see the results in the next posting... rkm ============================================================================ Delivered-To: moderator for •••@••.••• Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 09:23:27 -0500 From: Nurev Ind Research <•••@••.•••> Organization: Nurev Independent Research To: Activist Mailing List <•••@••.•••>, Conspiracy Theory Research List <•••@••.•••> CC: "•••@••.•••" <•••@••.•••> Subject: 61% Want Direct Elections November 21, 2000 Most Say Fraud Played Election Role 61% Want Direct Elections Sixty percent of Americans say voter fraud and illegal activities played a role in Election 2000. A Portrait of America telephone survey found that just 20% disagree. While the focus in Florida has been on Democrats’ concerns about a recount, Republicans are somewhat more likely to believe that fraud affected the votes in this election. 67% of Republicans say there was fraud compared to 58% of Democrats. Most, 58%, say that when election results are close there should be an automatic recount, 27% would not like a recount, 4% are not sure. When it comes to the Electoral College a full 74% of Americans say they understand how it works but a majority, 61%, would like to see the President elected by all Americans in a direct, nation-wide election, only 33% would prefer to have the Electoral College elect the President, 6% are not sure. Rasmussen Research conducted this national Portrait of America telephone survey of 991 adults on November 21, 2000. The margin of sampling error was +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. ---<snip>--- ============================================================================ Richard K Moore Wexford, Ireland Citizens for a Democratic Renaissance email: •••@••.••• CDR website & list archives: http://cyberjournal.org content-searchable archive: http://members.xoom.com/centrexnews/ featured article, "Escaping the Matrix": http://cyberjournal.org/cj/rkm/WE/jun00_Matrix.shtml featured book, "Toward an American Revolution" by Jerry Fresia: http://cyberjournal.org/cj/fresia/ A community will evolve only when the people control their means of communication. -- Frantz Fanon Permission for non-commercial republishing hereby granted - BUT include and observe all restrictions, copyrights, credits, and notices - including this one. ============================================================================ .