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dialog thru 13 Jan 2010
From: Richard Moore <rkm-at-quaylargo.com>
Date: 17 Jan 2010
Subject: dialog thru 13 Jan 2010
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Greetings,
Adrian Salbuchi, speaking from Buenos Aires, has recorded an interesting and insightful three-part video. He enumerates several trigger-events we should be watching out for between now and 2012:
2010 Forecast: Transition from Globalization to World Government
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8ktQSLgu4n4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D1r6sy8q79uA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlXzvS2G8Tuw&NR=3D1
FYI, I've made major improvements to my climate article:
Climate science: observations vs. models
http://rkmdocs.blogspot.com/2010/01/climate-science-observations-vs-models.html
rkm
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> From: "Mary Nelson"
> Date: 9 January 2010 23:43:35 GMT
> To: "'Richard Moore'" <rkm-at-quaylargo.com>
> Subject: RE: Book announcement, blogs, dialog
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cyberjournal/message/384
>
> Richard, I loved your "nothing wrong with humans as a species". I > has prompted me to send this piece by Thomas Berry, a beloved > proponent of moving beyond our culture of destruction and make- > believe to re-invent the human at the species level. You may be well- > acquainted with his work.
> Mary in Penn Valley
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Hi Mary,
Thanks for the article. I've posted it to newslog:
Thomas Berry: "Reinventing the Human"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newslog/message/2685
rkm
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> From: Bill Ellis
> Date: 10 January 2010 17:27:28 GMT
> To: rkm-at-quaylargo.com
> Subject: Life after death
>
> I will become 90 this year. I have not yet reached a stage of > dread. Instead I set real enjoyable goals for the next decades and > expect my "soul" to live on long after that.
> The goals are:
> 1) to finish a book of my ideas and activities by my 90th and
> 2) to take a 10 year global tour preaching the gospel of Gaia.
> 3) to live on in my good works.
> If you'd like more details there in my essay "A Gaian Creed" Below. > [snip]
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Hi Bill,
Thanks for your essay. I've posted it to newslog:
Bill Ellis: "A Gaian Creed" - Chapter 5
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newslog/message/2686
You positive attitude is refreshing.
rkm
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> From: Peter Meyer <editor-at-serendipity.li>
> Date: 11 January 2010 04:01:13 GMT
> To: richard.kelly.moore-at-gmail.com
> Subject: "Enlightenment" in print
>
> Hi Richard,
> I've reprinted your essay on the Enlightenment and the Industrial > Revolution at
> http://www.serendipity.li/capitalism/enlightenment_and_industrial_revolution.htm
> Many thanks for drawing your readers' attention to the importance > of Tom
> Paine's thought. This article will make it onto the new Website-on- > CD currently in preparation.
> As I note at the bottom, a very readable introduction to Tom > Paine's life and
> writings is Christopher Hitchens' Thomas Paine's Rights of Man > (Atlantic
> Books, 2006).
> In the Introduction to that book Hitchens quotes a song, composed > in 1791 by
> Joseph Mather, sung to the tune of "God Save the Queen":
>
> God save great Thomas Paine,
> His 'Rights of Man' explain
> To every soul.
> He makes the blind to see
> What dupes and slaves they be,
> And points out liberty
> From pole to pole.
>
> There are five more verses.
> I have no talent for versifying, but perhaps you could write some > lyrics to the
> same tune, updating Mather, with the target no longer royalty and > tyrannical
> monarchical government but rather tyrannical "democratic" > government, the
> banking elite and their military enforcers.
> Regards,
> Peter
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Hi Peter,
Thanks for republishing the article.
I kind of like that first verse on its own. When the song was written, it was celebrating Paine's achievements, which were well known. Today, the first verse serves as an invitation to rediscover his thinking. Another book on Paine, which I found very good: Thomas Paine - A Political Life. I haven't seen the one you mention. I'm sure it's good if you recommend it, and the one I read is very long.
rkm
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> From: "bill aal"
> Date: 12 January 2010 16:20:54 GMT
> To: <rkm-at-quaylargo.com>
> Subject: RE: Gates Foundation = Monsanto
>
> Hi Richard,
> You might be interested to know I am involved in a group called > AGRA- Watch , that is taking on the Gates /Monsanto/Rockefeller > complex initiatives in Africa ( see http://www.seattleglobaljustice.org=20
> ) There are a bunch of organization in the US and Africa that have > been doing the work for a year or so.
> Cordially,
> Bill
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Hi Bill,
You tilt not with windmills but with giants. Good luck on the good fight! Monsanto is an enemy to all life forms and to the life process itself. It is not nice to play God.
rkm
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> From: Stefan Ladstätter
> Date: 13 January 2010 12:16:35 GMT
> To: Richard Moore <rkm-at-quaylargo.com>
> Subject: Re: dialog through end of 2009
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cyberjournal/message/387
>
>> rkm> If the paradigm is not going to be about growth, then it is >> going to be about managing resources. The lever of power will no >> longer be the controlling of credit for growth, but rather control >> over the management of resources.
>
> I also sense that this will be the next big thing. In fact, when I > went to the grocer's yesterday I saw it right there, on the front > page of one of our weekly magazines: "Prosperity without Growth" is > the headline. I fear a new attack (read: appropriation/ > monopolization) on something reasonable people have always known > (the fact that growth cannot be the basis of our civilisation), like > what happened with the green movement.
> I love what you wrote about the Great Boat. I have the strong > feeling that you are right, and I also have the strong feeling that > to be able to serve this purpose I need to develop myself. If I > don't get rid of my own preconceptions (and, even more importantly, > my conditioning), I can't guarantee that I will neither attempt a > power grab/play alpha animal, nor oppose or pervert the evolving > movement.
> In short, my first priority is still my own immediate surrounding - > myself and my family. As soon as I feel that we have established a > strong base and have succeeded in gaining independence/freedom > (mostly emotional) and are leading a happier life generally, > everything is possible. It doesn't matter where you begin the > struggle - once you have managed to make the shift on a personal > level, once you have learned how to learn and know how to know, so > to speak, you can easily change the context and apply the gained > wisdom everywhere and do what I have identified as my ultimate goal: > serve.
> I hope this makes sense!
> Cheers,
> Stefan
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Hi Stefan,
No, I'm sorry, but it doesn't make sense to me. The very fact that you express this fundamental self doubt means you will never reach a point where you 'feel ready', no matter how much you work on yourself. There will always be one more layer of conditioning to peel away. At the same time, your openness, your tendency to self-examination, and your desire not to grab power, means that you are ready. Ready to own your power.
Yes there is a problem in relating to the evolving movement in a useful way, and possibly doing something counter-productive through ignorance. But for you these are not problems about 'emotional readiness', they are about thinking and listening and learning – and evolving your understanding through engagement.
rkm
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> From: "Madeline Bruce"
> Date: 13 January 2010 15:57:57 GMT
> To: "Richard Moore" <rkm-at-quaylargo.com>
> Subject: Re: dialog through end of 2009
>
> Rome wasn't built in a day. Creating a productive group is worth > taking some time and exercising a little patience. After all, it is > about re-making the world all over again. We have come to this > point, and we have learned that power is not what is needed, and, > indeed, has gotten to such runaway proportions that it is destroying > humanity, and the planet with it. The process of learning how to > work together, for the good of all, is just as important as the > eventual project this group comes up with and accomplishes. - > Madeline Bruce, Nanaimo, B. C.
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Hi Madeline,
How right you are, and very well put! Power is what needs to be overcome, and the first step is for us to discover how to operate together using a non-power, egalitarian paradigm. You've made me see this in a new way. Thanks for that.
rkm
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> From: Diana Skipworth
> Date: 13 January 2010 20:45:37 GMT
> To: Richard Moore <rkm-at-quaylargo.com>
> Subject: Re: dialog through end of 2009
>
> Dear Richard,
> I wanted to comment about the Obama/Nobel Peace Prize.
> Recently I was astonished to learn "the rest of the story" about the > prize given to our president. It seems in 1888 a moment of: "the > rumors of my death are exaggerated", Alfred Nobel began one morning > reading the headline about his untimely death.
> "MERCHANT OF DEATH" the headline screamed, giving details of how > Nobel earned his fortune by manufacturing dynamite explosives by the > ton. With the invention of dynamite, about a dozen more times > deadly than gunpowder, you could create WMD and drop them out of > planes, etc... This provided the Nobel Family with prestige and > fortune.
> --So the money was set aside to grant prizes annually, and so the > name Nobel has been successfully sanitized to this day.
> (btw, check out my new video I posted in response to Thom > Hartmann's Youtube video, "Is the middle class becoming more > violent." My channel is greatbroad.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DATx5wGqgY4Y
> Diana
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Hi Diana,
How ironic, that today's merchant of death receives a prize originated by a previous merchant of death, and all in the name of peace. Thus is demonstrated the contempt shown by 'those with power' to the rest of us.
I enjoyed your video. It was like visiting with you in person, and I found it to be spiritually centering.
rkm
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> From: Ed Goertzen
> Date: 13 January 2010 13:28:39 GMT
> To: Richard Moore <rkm-at-quaylargo.com>
> Subject: rkm's basic facts about the world
>
> Hi Richard:
> Have you encountered the book "Trilateralism " by Holly Sklar, > prof at Concordia U. ?
> Filled with names of people participating in putting the Corporate > flag on the world's resources.
> There is also the unread "Merchants of Grain" which I am told > identifies the "grain families"
> There is also "Seven Sisters" (Ref. to seven major oil companies) > but I'm not aware of the "families" except the "House of Saud"
> Regards
> Ed G
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Hi Ed,
Sklar is good, I've referred to her book often. Carroll Quigley is very good as well. Don't know the one on grain. I read one book on the Seven Sisters, and there are probably many books on that subject. The house of Saud is certainly not included in that. The Sisters are the distributors (Exxon et al), not the producers.
1 barrel = 42 gallons
$78 / barrel is what the Saudis get.
$2.58 / gallon means that you pay $108.36 for a barrel at the pump.
In addition, the Saudi money is then used to purchase things from the West (eg, weapons and nuclear power plants) and is reinvested in US Treasury notes. The wealth of the royal family is matched by the poverty of the people. Basically, the West ends up getting the lion's share of oil revenues, and the royal family is left with enough to maintain their yachts and harems, and to suppress the population. With Western support, their Medieval culture continues.
rkm
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> From: "Claudia Woodward-Rice"
> Date: 14 January 2010 18:29:35 GMT
> To: <richard.kelly.moore-at-gmail.com>
> Subject: FW: [C.O.T.O.] Comment: "Capitalism and the New World Order"
>
> FYI Some comments below about "Escaping the Matrix"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: comment-reply-at-wordpress.com [mailto:comment-reply-at-wordpress.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:57 PM
>
> "Escaping the Matrix" is one of the best probes of "consensus > reality." Now my hot-button (as you probably guessed) is "climate > denial," and the new issue of Rolling Stone has a pretty good wrap- > up of "You Idiots" (title of the article... referring to the climate- > denial crowd) as tools of the "consensus reality" blatantly > manufactured by fats who flat-out don't give a shit if the world > burns.
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Hi Claudia,
How ironic. The fellow missed one of the main points of ETM: if the mass media promotes it, it's phony. Too bad the likes of Rolling Stone are caught in the matrix on this one as well.
rkm
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He enumerates several trigger-events we should be watching out for between now and 2012:</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Times New Roman'"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"> </span></font><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">2010 Forecast: Transition from Globalization to World Government</span></font></b></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8ktQSLgu4n4">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D8ktQSLgu4n4</a></span></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span></span></font><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"> </span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D1r6sy8q79uA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D1r6sy8q79uA</a></span></font></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Times New Roman'"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlXzvS2G8Tuw&;NR=1">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DlXzvS2G8Tuw&;NR=1</a></span></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Times New Roman'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; 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font-size: 13px; white-space: pre; "><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><a href="http://rkmdocs.blogspot.com/2010/01/climate-science-observations-vs-models.html">http://rkmdocs.blogspot.com/2010/01/climate-science-observations-vs-models.html</a></span></div></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Times New Roman'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium; "><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Times New Roman'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">rkm</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Times New Roman'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">_______</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Times New Roman'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Times New Roman'"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">From: "Mary Nelson"</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Date: 9 January 2010 23:43:35 GMT</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">To: "'Richard Moore'" <<a href="mailto:rkm-at-quaylargo.com">rkm-at-quaylargo.com</a>></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Subject: RE: Book announcement, blogs, dialog</font></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cyberjournal/message/384">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cyberjournal/message/384</a></span></font></font></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> </font></div></span></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Richard, I loved your "nothing wrong with humans as a species". I has prompted me to send this piece by Thomas Berry, a beloved proponent of moving beyond our culture of destruction and make-believe to re-invent the human at the species level. You may be well-acquainted with his work.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> Mary in Penn Valley</font></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div></font></div><div>---</div><div><br></div><div>Hi Mary,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the article. I've posted it to newslog:</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"> </span></font></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-weight: bold; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">Thomas Berry: "Reinventing the Human"</span></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newslog/message/2685">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newslog/message/2685</a></span></font></span></div><div><br></div><div>rkm</div><div>_______</div><div><br></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">From: Bill Ellis </font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Date: 10 January 2010 17:27:28 GMT</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">To: <a href="mailto:rkm-at-quaylargo.com">rkm-at-quaylargo.com</a></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Subject: Life after death</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">I will become 90 this year. I have not yet reached a stage of dread. Instead I set real enjoyable goals </font><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">for the next decades and expect my "soul" to live on long after that.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">The goals are:</font></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">1) to finish a book of my ideas and activities by my 90th and</font></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">2) to take a 10 year global tour preaching the gospel of Gaia.</font></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">3) to live on in my good works.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">If you'd like more details there in my essay "A Gaian Creed" Below. </font><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">[</span></font><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">snip</span></font></b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">]</span></font></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div></font></div><div>---</div><div><br></div><div>Hi Bill,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your essay. I've posted it to newslog:</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"> </span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: normal; font-family: Arial, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-weight: bold; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">Bill Ellis: "A Gaian Creed" - Chapter 5</span></font></span></span></div></div></span></font></div></span></span></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newslog/message/2686">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/newslog/message/2686</a></span></font></span></div><div><br></div><div>You positive attitude is refreshing. </div><div><br></div>rkm</span></font></div><div>_______</div><div><br></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">From: Peter Meyer <<a href="mailto:editor-at-serendipity.li">editor-at-serendipity.li</a>></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Date: 11 January 2010 04:01:13 GMT</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">To: <a href="mailto:richard.kelly.moore-at-gmail.com">richard.kelly.moore-at-gmail.com</a></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Subject: "Enlightenment" in print</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Hi Richard,</font></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">I've reprinted your essay on the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution at</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><a href="http://www.serendipity.li/capitalism/enlightenment_and_industrial_revolution.htm">http://www.serendipity.li/capitalism/enlightenment_and_industrial_revolution.htm</a></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> Many thanks for drawing your readers' attention to the importance of Tom</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Paine's thought. This article will make it onto the new Website-on-CD currently in preparation. </font></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">As I note at the bottom, a very readable introduction to Tom Paine's life and</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">writings is Christopher Hitchens' <i>Thomas Paine's Rights of Man</i> (Atlantic</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Books, 2006).</font></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">In the Introduction to that book Hitchens quotes a song, composed in 1791 by</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Joseph Mather, sung to the tune of "God Save the Queen":</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#814100">God save great Thomas Paine,</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#814100">His 'Rights of Man' explain</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#814100"> To every soul.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#814100">He makes the blind to see</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#814100">What dupes and slaves they be,</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#814100">And points out liberty</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#814100"> From pole to pole.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">There are five more verses.</font></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">I have no talent for versifying, but perhaps you could write some lyrics to the</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">same tune, updating Mather, with the target no longer royalty and tyrannical</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">monarchical government but rather tyrannical "democratic" government, the</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">banking elite and their military enforcers.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Regards,</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Peter</font></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div></font></div><div>---</div><div><br></div><div>Hi Peter,</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for republishing the article. </div><div><br></div><div>I kind of like that first verse on its own. When the song was written, it was celebrating Paine's achievements, which were well known. Today, the first verse serves as an invitation to rediscover his thinking. Another book on Paine, which I found very good: <i>Thomas Paine - A Political Life</i>. I haven't seen the one you mention. I'm sure it's good if you recommend it, and the one I read is very long.</div><div><br></div><div>rkm</div><div>_________</div><div><br></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">From: "bill aal"</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Date: 12 January 2010 16:20:54 GMT</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">To: <<a href="mailto:rkm-at-quaylargo.com">rkm-at-quaylargo.com</a>></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Subject: RE: Gates Foundation = Monsanto</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Hi Richard,</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> You might be interested to know I am involved in a group called AGRA- Watch , that is taking on the Gates /Monsanto/Rockefeller complex initiatives in Africa ( see <a href="http://www.seattleglobaljustice.org">http://www.seattleglobaljustice.org</a> ) There are a bunch of organization in the US and Africa that have been doing the work for a year or so.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Cordially,</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> Bill</font></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div></font></div><div>---</div><div><br></div><div>Hi Bill,</div><div><br></div><div>You tilt not with windmills but with giants. Good luck on the good fight! Monsanto is an enemy to all life forms and to the life process itself. It is not nice to play God. </div><div><br></div><div>rkm</div><div>___________</div><div><br></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">From: Stefan Ladstätter </font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Date: 13 January 2010 12:16:35 GMT</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">To: Richard Moore <<a href="mailto:rkm-at-quaylargo.com">rkm-at-quaylargo.com</a>></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Subject: Re: dialog through end of 2009</font></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"> <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cyberjournal/message/387">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cyberjournal/message/387</a></span></font></font></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><br></font></div><div></div></span></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#007D40">rkm> If the paradigm is not going to be about growth, then it is going to be about managing resources. The lever of power will no longer be the controlling of credit for growth, but rather control over the management of resources.</font></div></span></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span></div></span></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">I also sense that this will be the next big thing. In fact, when I went to the grocer's yesterday I saw it right there, on the front page of one of our weekly magazines: "Prosperity without Growth" is the headline. I fear a new attack (read: appropriation/monopolization) on something reasonable people have always known (the fact that growth cannot be the basis of our civilisation), like what happened with the green movement.</font></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">I love what you wrote about the Great Boat. I have the strong feeling that you are right, and I also have the strong feeling that to be able to serve this purpose I need to develop myself. If I don't get rid of my own preconceptions (and, even more importantly, my conditioning), I can't guarantee that I will neither attempt a power grab/play alpha animal, nor oppose or pervert the evolving movement.</font></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">In short, my first priority is still my own immediate surrounding - myself and my family. As soon as I feel that we have established a strong base and have succeeded in gaining independence/freedom (mostly emotional) and are leading a happier life generally, everything is possible. It doesn't matter where you begin the struggle - once you have managed to make the shift on a personal level, once you have learned how to learn and know how to know, so to speak, you can easily change the context and apply the gained wisdom everywhere and do what I have identified as my ultimate goal: serve.</font></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">I hope this makes sense!</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Cheers,</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Stefan</font></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div></font></div><div>---</div><div><br></div><div>Hi Stefan,</div><div><br></div><div>No, I'm sorry, but it doesn't make sense to me. The very fact that you express this fundamental self doubt means you will never reach a point where you 'feel ready', no matter how much you work on yourself. There will always be one more layer of conditioning to peel away. At the same time, your openness, your tendency to self-examination, and your desire not to grab power, means that you <i>are</i> ready. Ready to own your power.</div><div><br></div><div>Yes there is a problem in relating to the evolving movement in a useful way, and possibly doing something counter-productive through ignorance. But for you these are not problems about 'emotional readiness', they are about thinking and listening and learning – and evolving your understanding through engagement. </div><div><br></div><div>rkm</div><div>________</div><div><br></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">From: "Madeline Bruce"</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Date: 13 January 2010 15:57:57 GMT</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">To: "Richard Moore" <<a href="mailto:rkm-at-quaylargo.com">rkm-at-quaylargo.com</a>></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Subject: Re: dialog through end of 2009</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Rome wasn't built in a day. Creating a productive group is worth taking some time and exercising a little patience. After all, it is about re-making the world all over again. We have come to this point, and we have learned that power is not what is needed, and, indeed, has gotten to such runaway proportions that it is destroying humanity, and the planet with it. The process of learning how to work together, for the good of all, is just as important as the eventual project this group comes up with and accomplishes. - Madeline Bruce, Nanaimo, B. C.</font></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div></font></div><div>---</div><div><br></div><div>Hi Madeline,</div><div><br></div><div>How right you are, and very well put! Power is what needs to be overcome, and the first step is for us to discover how to operate together using a non-power, egalitarian paradigm. You've made me see this in a new way. Thanks for that.</div><div><br></div><div>rkm</div><div>___________</div><div><br></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">From: Diana Skipworth</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Date: 13 January 2010 20:45:37 GMT</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">To: Richard Moore <<a href="mailto:rkm-at-quaylargo.com">rkm-at-quaylargo.com</a>></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Subject: Re: dialog through end of 2009</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Dear Richard,</font></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">I wanted to comment about the Obama/Nobel Peace Prize.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Recently I was astonished to learn "the rest of the story" about the prize given to our president. It seems in 1888 a moment of: "the rumors of my death are exaggerated", Alfred Nobel began one morning reading the headline about his untimely death.</font></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">"MERCHANT OF DEATH" the headline screamed, giving details of how Nobel earned his fortune by manufacturing dynamite explosives by the ton. With the invention of dynamite, about a dozen more times deadly than gunpowder, you could create WMD and drop them out of planes, etc... This provided the Nobel Family with prestige and fortune. </font></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">--So the money was set aside to grant prizes annually, and so the name Nobel has been successfully sanitized to this day.</font></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">(btw, check out my new video I posted in response to Thom Hartmann's Youtube video, "Is the middle class becoming more violent." My channel is greatbroad.</font></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> </font></span></font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DATx5wGqgY4Y">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DATx5wGqgY4Y</a></font></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Diana</font></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div></font></div><div>---</div><div><br></div><div>Hi Diana,</div><div><br></div><div>How ironic, that today's merchant of death receives a prize originated by a previous merchant of death, and all in the name of peace. Thus is demonstrated the contempt shown by 'those with power' to the rest of us.</div><div><br></div><div>I enjoyed your video. It was like visiting with you in person, and I found it to be spiritually centering. </div><div><br></div></div><div>rkm</div><div>________</div><div><br></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">From: Ed Goertzen</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Date: 13 January 2010 13:28:39 GMT</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">To: Richard Moore <<a href="mailto:rkm-at-quaylargo.com">rkm-at-quaylargo.com</a>></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Subject: rkm's basic facts about the world</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Hi Richard:</font></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Have you encountered the book "Trilateralism " by Holly Sklar, prof at Concordia U. ?</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Filled with names of people participating in putting the Corporate flag on the world's resources. </font></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"> </font></span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">There is also the unread "Merchants of Grain" which I am told identifies the "grain families"</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">There is also "Seven Sisters" (Ref. to seven major oil companies) but I'm not aware of the "families" except the "House of Saud"</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Regards</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Ed G</font></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div></font></div><div>---</div><div><br></div><div>Hi Ed,</div><div><br></div><div>Sklar is good, I've referred to her book often. Carroll Quigley is very good as well. Don't know the one on grain. I read one book on the Seven Sisters, and there are probably many books on that subject. The house of Saud is certainly not included in that. The Sisters are the distributors (Exxon et al), not the producers. </div><div><br></div><div>1 barrel = 42 gallons</div><div>$78 / barrel is what the Saudis get.</div><div>$2.58 / gallon means that you pay $108.36 for a barrel at the pump.</div><div><br></div><div>In addition, the Saudi money is then used to purchase things from the West (eg, weapons and nuclear power plants) and is reinvested in US Treasury notes. The wealth of the royal family is matched by the poverty of the people. Basically, the West ends up getting the lion's share of oil revenues, and the royal family is left with enough to maintain their yachts and harems, and to suppress the population. With Western support, their Medieval culture continues.</div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div>rkm</div><div>________</div><div><br></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">From: "Claudia Woodward-Rice"</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Date: 14 January 2010 18:29:35 GMT</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">To: <<a href="mailto:richard.kelly.moore-at-gmail.com">richard.kelly.moore-at-gmail.com</a>></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">Subject: FW: [C.O.T.O.] Comment: "Capitalism and the New World Order"</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">FYI Some comments below about "Escaping the Matrix" </font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0626FF">-----Original Message-----</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#821240">From: comment-reply-at-wordpress.com [<a href="mailto:comment-reply-at-wordpress.com">mailto:comment-reply-at-wordpress.com</a>] </font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#821240">Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:57 PM</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#821240"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#821240">"Escaping the Matrix" is one of the best probes of "consensus reality." Now my hot-button (as you probably guessed) is "climate denial," and the new issue of Rolling Stone has a pretty good wrap-up of "You Idiots" (title of the article... referring to the climate-denial crowd) as tools of the "consensus reality" blatantly manufactured by fats who flat-out don't give a shit if the world burns. </font></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div></font></div><div>---</div><div><br></div><div>Hi Claudia,</div><div><br></div><div>How ironic. The fellow missed one of the main points of ETM: if the mass media promotes it, it's phony. Too bad the likes of Rolling Stone are caught in the matrix on this one as well.</div><div><br></div><div>rkm</div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; ">___________________________</span></font></div><div><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">subscribe mailto</span></font></b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">:</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><a href="mailto:cyberjournal+subscribe-at-googlegroups.com">cyberjournal+subscribe-at-googlegroups.com</a></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><div><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">blog for subscribers</span></font></b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">:</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><a href="http://cyberjournal-rkm.blogspot.com/">http://cyberjournal-rkm.blogspot.com/</a></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><br></span></font></div></span></span></font></div></span></span></font></div><div><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">related websites</span></font></b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">: </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><a href="http://www.governourselves.org/">http://www.governourselves.org/</a></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><a href="http://escapingthematrix.org/">http://escapingthematrix.org/</a></span></font></div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 14px; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><a href="http://cyberjournal.org">http://cyberjournal.org</a></span></div></span><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><br></span></font></div><div><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">archives</span></font></b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">:</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/cyberjournal/topics">http://groups.google.com/group/cyberjournal/topics</a></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/newslog/topics">http://groups.google.com/group/newslog/topics</a></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><br></span></font></div><div><b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">moderator</span></font></b><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; ">: <a href="mailto:rkm-at-quaylargo.com">rkm-at-quaylargo.com</a> (comments welcome)</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px; "><br></span></font></div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></body></html>
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