@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 Sender: •••@••.••• Subject: Re: cj#551> re: Rise & Fall of Democracy Richard, You wrote: > Pat Buchannan's candidacy was a propaganda maneuver, designed to >discredit the platform on which he ran. From the lips of a fascist racist >we heard the message of "preservation of sovereignty" and "excess corporate >power" -- What's the inevitable result? ... that we question the validity >of that message. His candidacy served the corporate elite quite nicely: it >undermined the genuine populist/progressive movement as represented by >Nader, Ronnie Dugger, and others. Are you suggesting that Buchanan himself was part of this propaganda manuever...that his candidacy was purposely designed to allow the exploitation by the mainstream politicos that you describe? Allen Hopper @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Dear Allen, I believe you're asking two different questions. As to what Buchanan himself was up to, your guess is as good as mine... probably just another politician who thought he had a formula for getting votes, and could somehow advance his own agenda at the same time. But his "candidacy" is a much bigger thing ... and something he has precious little control over. The media decides how much coverage to give him, which sound bites to use, which adversaries to juxtapose against him, what spin to put on his "chances", and which bits of his background to "uncover". "The masters make the rules for the wise men and the fools." "He's only a pawn in their game." -Bob Dylan -rkm @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 Sender: Frank Scott <•••@••.•••> Subject: Re: cj#551> re: Rise & Fall of Democracy I appreciated much of the article, but the critic who insists on grossly oversimplifying Buchanan is really a bit much. Writing him off as a "fascist racist" can make some folks feel warm, fuzzy, and superior, but it reeks of elitist twitness, and the conspiratorial mindset that finds him part of a plan by the establishment badly misjudges the inherent chaos in our ruling class powers. Our system is in great danger, which means we are in great danger, and we won't solve our problems by simply demonizing anyone who acts out the contradictions. Buchanan, and other conservative populists like him, are expressing genuine concern over the failings and shortcomings of our political economics. Of course, their proposed solutions are sometimes idiotic, but that doesn't mean that they can simply be dismissed with name-calling. Especially since many of the name callers will be voting for the very corporate powers that are the problem. We have much to learn. Frank Scott @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Dear Frank, I fear you've misunderstood what I've written, and can only recommend that your re-read. But I would like to hear more about what you mean by "inherent chaos in our ruling class powers" and "Our system is in great danger". It seems to me the "danger to our system" comes from the _coherence_ of the designs of our "ruling class powers" -- I see precious little chaos in their march toward global hegemony. _They_ aren't in danger -- but they _are_ the "great danger" to "our system", which they are in the process of destroying. The point, I'd say, about Buchanan, is that it is not primarily "conservative populists" who express genuine concern over the "failings and shortcomings of our political economics" -- Ralph Nader, for example, speaks for many more people than does Buchanan. It's the media who paints Buchanan as "a threat" -- granting him political weight -- while it dismisses Nader as a no-chance utopian. Thus the real political issues are obfuscated, and corporate abuses don't show up in the "major" political debates. Whether _I_ "dismiss" Buchanan isn't of much interest... the fact is that the media intended for _most_ people to dismiss him, and in the process to dismiss the parts of his agenda that "ruling class" didn't like, namely anti-coporate, anti-globalist solidarity. -rkm @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 Sender: •••@••.••• Subject: Re: cj#550> THE FATEFUL DANCE OF DEMOCRACY AND CAPITALISM Richard, So nice to see you and cyberjournal up and running again. Any plans to have your troupe visit the US? Rereading your expanded article (below), I am always struck by how wonderfully you communicate in your writing. I would have liked a more expanded definition of propaganda and corruption in the beginning of the article as well as a specific list of recommended actions necessary during this window of opportunity. I'm thinking, of course, of the call of the Alliance which I would have liked to see you mention--if even as a postscript. BTW, are you still moderating the on-line group? I had to sign off because the postings were overwhelming, but I hope the energy is still flowing. Am feeling ideologically squirmy having recently gotten my first bit of contract work as a webmaster with a multinational (telecommunications, of all things) I'm hoping that in a year, I can clear the credit card debt from my new computer to be free to focus my energy in a direction more closely matched to my heart. Looking forward to more articles. Thanks for your continued energy! Susan LaBarre Across the planet, we're all one people...we just have different service providers. Macintosh forever ;-) @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Dear Susan, re/ The Alliance: I signed off long ago due to lack of progress and the unproductive lightly-moderated mode. There's a forward from the Boston Allinance in cj#553. Ronnie Dugger's call has been published earlier in cj. re/ definition of corruption and propaganda. Yes, those can be expanded... I'd written about those so much already that I was taking them as a given, but I guess every piece needs to stand on its own. To a first approximation, I'd say propaganda is everything you see in the mainstream media plus everything said by any government or corporate official. As for corruption, there are some defining comments in cj#553. And yes, if the troupe project gets off the ground, a U.S. tour would be a primary goal. Belly of the beast and all that. Thanks for your supportive comments, and try to keep your head above the waters during your corporate gig. Regards, Richard @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~--~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~ Posted by Richard K. Moore - •••@••.••• - Wexford, Ireland Cyberlib: www | ftp --> ftp://ftp.iol.ie/users/rkmoore/cyberlib ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~--~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~
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