cj#301> Dialog re: fascism


Richard Moore

Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:19:54 -0800
Sender: •••@••.••• (El Tiburon)
Subject: Re: cj#298> US Conservatives vs Nazis

>Conservatives have a class of victims which they are trying to protect:
>all Americans who work and pay taxes.

What a load of garbage this is. The "get big govt out of our lives party"
(ie Republicans) have spent more efforts to step around many of the things
that denote a 'free' country than anything that has been observed in
non-war periods. Thank goodness they are a party that is primarily all talk
and no action (ie. term limits, lobbyist gift ban, etc. that never passed
due to Republicans not voting for their own bills).
And before you waste your breathe with the Rush regurgitation, no Im not a
liberal or a Democrat. I AM  one of the rare breeds of free thinkers. So as
you can imagine, there is no representative leadership for poor ol' me (boo

>As a white male, and an independant moderate, the voice on the right is
>more attractive because it is trying to tackle these critical issues.
>But frankly, more cleaning house would be in order because the left
>has bequethed us a justice system which is a joke.

The left is and has done a terrible job. The only hopes they had to look
good and maintain seats for the last 40yrs. was the blatant anti-family and
anti-middle class attitudes of the Reagan-Bush, er I mean Reagan-Reagan jr.


Rethink what activism means - Isnt it just participation?

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 08:51:36 -0800
Sender: Fred Baube <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Blaming Victims, Government, etc etc

> Date: Sun, 05 Nov 95
> From: paul <snip>
> Subject: US Conservatives vs Nazis
> Modern mainstram
> conservatives do not blame gays or Jews or blacks or Hispanics or the
> poor or the elderly.  They blame the well-intentioned but philosophically
> flawed and ineffectient/mismanaged welfare state, a state which has
> wasted billions only to make behaviors worse.

A recent issue of The New York Review of Books covered
this ground, in a review of a book by Paul D'Souzsa (sp?).
A *very* interesting discussion of the politics of quotas,
discrimination, black leadership, white attitudes, conser-
vative agenda-setting, etc etc.  I recommend it highly.

> In fact, the only reason for their
> success is ideas, because no current leader on the right has the
> hypnotic effect that Hitler had on the Germans.

They don't need one.  They set the ideological agenda
of television, which does some pretty good hypnotising.


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Subject: Re: New Conservatism & Fascism
To: •••@••.•••
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995
From: Ed --

rkm wrote:
>I've published a couple of essays regarding fascism over PNEWS.  My
>observation is that fascism is rapily coming to power in the U.S., and that
>there are many parallels between anti-government rhetoric of today, and the
>rhetoric of the Nazis in the 30s.

There are also some parallels with the anti-government/pro-big-business/
"free-market" rhetoric of the 1920s.  And we all know what that led to.

I think it is possible that a rapid shift of the way in which US
government taxes and spends, in which many people would become
unemployed and/or lose basic services like medical care, could lead
to a very deep recession.

-Ed --

Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995
From: Brian --
To: •••@••.•••
Subject: Your facism essays


I loved your reply to the guy who claimed your essays were "flawed".
Frightening how the delusions are deeply entrenched.

My question is:  Do you believe the current rise of US facism will
duplicate the horrific atrocities of Nazi Gernmany?  I can see blacks,
gays, the indiginous people being herded off to gas chambers here, and I
believe were heading in that direction myself.



Dear Brian,

No, I don't think we'll see exact duplication -- the face of fascism, like
that of imperialism, changes with the times.  Instead of gas chambers in
the ghettos, we have CIA-sponsored crack cocaine and the accompanying
needle-carried AIDS epidemic.  And in Africa, we have Western arms in vast
quantities made available to all sides in civil wars, reducing the
redundant (non market-economy) population there.  In Latin America, we see
newly engineered viruses (dengue and others) being released in the back
country.  In Iraq, there were 40,000 air sorties and who knows how many
cruise missiles "accomplishing" 100,000 fatalities in the short term, and
followed up by draconian sanctions that threaten the health of a whole
generation of children.

If we spend our time looking for the old forms, we miss what's happening
right now before our eyes.

Richard Moore


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