@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ >From: Peter ... Date: Sat, 18 Nov 95 To: rkmoore Subject: Hitler and Stalin Dear Mr. Moore, While I agree with a great deal you write, I think it is wrong to go too far in denying a link between the methods of power used by Stalin and Hitler to take control of their respective countries. Stalin and Hitler both infiltrated the organisations which held power in their respective countries, deprived their victims of protection (in Hitler's case by getting the Reichstag to pass the Enabling Law, and in Stalin's case by packing key committees with his appointees). The main difference between the two was that Hitler infiltrated a state which had been the most liberal in the world only a few years before, while Stalin infiltrated a state which was already a monstrous tyranny. The totalitarian dictatorships learned much from each other (see, for example, Richard Pipes, Russia under the Bolshevik Regime, a remarkable book), and their differences were much smaller than their similarities. They shared a common enemy (liberal democracy), though they had different ways of dealing with it. They also shared the most important fact about their regimes: they viewed politics as warfare and nothing short of physical annihilation of their opponents would satisfy them. This fact, and the fact that totalitarian dictatorships seek to control all of everyday life, as well as organised politics, is their distinctive feature. Even the fact that Hitler emphasized a struggle between races, while Lenin discussed a struggle between classes is less significant if one considers the fact that in Russia, since 56% of the population was non- Russian, Lenin could not talk about the superiority of the Russian race without alienating the non-Russian half. In Germany, on the other hand, with a large middle class, Hitler could not talk about the superiority of the working class (or the middle class) without alienating the other classes. In fact, Hitler tried occasionally to portray himself as the friend of the workers, while Stalin sought to be the great Russian chauvanist par excellence. Both Hitler and Lenin/Stalin, then, were > "anti-liberal. [T]He[y] despised the democratic> process, despised diversity of opinion, and built his constituency> by lying about history and by inciting hatred and mistrust of> government, labor unions, liberals, subtleties of political thought,> intellectuals, gays, and nearly all minorities." @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Dear Peter, I agree there are many similarities, and your analysis probably documents those adequately. There are also important differences. We could make a chart of SIMILARS vs. DISSIMILARS if this were merely an academic exercise. My interest is in finding appropriate historical precedents for current situations. My view is that the current U.S. situation has important structural similarities to that of Germany in the '30s, and that the political elite is actively replaying that scenario for nearly identical purposes, if with a style more appropriate to modern circumstances. You hit on a critical difference yourself: > Hitler infiltrated a state which had been the most > liberal in the world only a few years before, while Stalin infiltrated a > state which was already a monstrous tyranny. This is most important for current purposes, because Hitler's sceario applies here, more or less, to the U.S. parallel, whereas Stalin's doesn't. Also, I can see why you tried to apply my paragraph to both dictators: ...and built his constituency> by lying about history and by inciting hatred and mistrust of> government... But I think this parallel doesn't hold up so well. Hitler really did pay attention to PR and to building up popular support -- and he succeeded. Stalin relied more exclusively on terror and a large bureaucratic secret police -- his constituency was the palace guard, much like the Czar. Hitler had that as well, but didn't rely on it so exclusively. This too is more parallel to the U.S. -- the FBI handles exception conditions and radicals, not neigborhood surveillance and suppression. Hitler had the jackbooted storm troopers; the U.S. has the baton-wielding racist cops, L.A. style. Finally, Hitler's connections to international and domestic capitalists is an important parallel, not as relevant in Stalin's case. My only reason for writing anything about the Hitler/Stalin comparison is that there have been dis-information pieces floated which seek to blur the distinctions, and to pretend that there are no differences generally between various parts of the political spectrum. Know-nothingism re/politics serves the elite, not the people. -rkm @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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