@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 Sender: "R. Byers" <•••@••.•••> Subject: Re: cj#351>Byers re: trapdoors & voting On Wed, 20 Dec 1995, Richard K. Moore wrote: > Yes I remember clearly the media stories around the elections. The first > thing they got wrong was the bit about it being the first genuine elections > faced by the Sandanistas -- in fact the previous election had been > monitored approvingly by a very credible international commission. Yes, and the second elections were heavily monitored as well, which is why theories of fraud have to be built around something "invisible", such as tampering with the vote-counting software. > The > second thing they got wrong was to simply assume, as an axiom of human > behavior, that people would vote for their oppressors when living under > siege conditions. I don't recall that as being the attitude of the British > in the blitz. Nicaragua had been through hard times in the past, and had > shown courage and determination. Hatred of the Contras was strong, I got > the impression stronger than fear. _Perhaps_ the Nicaraguans had a > different psychology than the Brits did, or perhaps they had more reason to > feel hopeless -- but media repetition of such a conclusion by no means > establishes it. Am I right in understanding that your own axiom is that people *won't* vote for their oppressors when living under siege conditions? The outcome of the last elections in Nicaragua struck me as pretty complex. For one thing, a significant portion of the population (42% is the number that sticks in memory) voted for the Sandinistas. Of those who voted for the opposition (was it 50%?), I would guess that up to half would have opposed the Sandinistas under any conditions. (The Sandinistas got something like 80% of the vote in the first elections, leaving 20% of the population as hardcore anti-Sandinistas.) For the rest, you don't have to appeal to psychological theories to explain their vote, nor do you even have to call it voting for the oppressor. The siege, the collapse of the Soviet Union (thus closing down the avenue Cuba had taken in resisting U.S. imperialism), the gradual withdrawal of the Sandinista leadership from its grassroots base, and the fact that Chamorro was the wife of a high profile martyr in the anti-Somoza cause--all are practical reasons for voting for the opposition. Bless the stiff upper lips of the Brits, but they weren't a dirt poor nation facing the most powerful nation on the planet. It's not that I think the software-tampering idea is impossible. However, I *do* think that an analysis of the "siege" explanation provides more valuable insights into how U.S. imperialism works than the one you're suggesting by bringing up this issue of trapdoors. For one thing, it illustrates how every nation is full of cracks and fissures and conflicting forces that can be exploited. It's just as true of the U.S. as it was (and is) of Nicaragua, and those of us who'd like to change the nature of the beast can learn lessons from this. Unless you're suggesting that we find ways of putting our own trapdoors into the U.S.'s electoral software? :-) Randy Byers @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Dear Randy, Thanks for following up. We seem to end on considerable agreement. As you say, it's the overt pressures imposed by the U.S. that are most significant, we don't need to emphasize covert activities. But we agree the scenario is possible. Cheers, Richard @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~--~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~ Posted by Richard K. Moore (•••@••.•••) Wexford, Ireland •••@••.••• | Cyberlib=http://www.internet-eireann.ie/cyberlib ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~--~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~
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