cj#462> 10Feb96 Tidbits


Richard Moore

Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996
Sender: •••@••.••• (Matt Febles)
Subject: Re: cj#454> CJ Feedback Needed! (esp. from LURKERS)

I am addmittedly a "silent lurker" and I can say that if this were a group
sitting in a circle in a room, I'd lurk all the same.  I'm quiet in real
life and when I choose to speak I choose carefully, I prefer to have some
weight in my words.  I participate by paying attention.

Enough of that.  Regarding the volume of posts from CJ:
        1)I've heard this problem expressed on other lists.  In general, the
differences are the types of mail-readers the users have.  I use Eudora, so
I recieve "headers" for all my messages, and I can delete them or read them
based on what I see in the subject line.  I'd rather not get all the posts
in digest form bec. you have to read everything, and replying to specific
messages is a pain.  My vote is for keeping things as they are.

        2)If people are annoyed by the volume of messages from a group,
perhaps they are not really interested in the subject.  I don't read
everything I get, in fact, I delete more than I read.  But there are enough
kernels of truth every week to maintain my interest in the list and put up
with the volume of the posts.

Take Care,


"We were not gonna things according to the previous shitheads" - Johnny Rotten

Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996
Sender: "R. Byers" <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: cj#459> 6Feb96 Tidbits

On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Susan <•••@••.•••> wrote:

> Subject: Re: Sitting Here in Limbo
> I keep getting a sense of witnessing the fall of the Roman Empire.

        A friend of mine says she's been thinking more and more about the
transition from the Roman Republic, which lasted two or three centuries,
to the Roman Empire.  Emperor Perrot, anyone?  Or is Emperor Powell the
more appropriate analogue?
        And the Senate fiddled...

Randy Byers

Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996
Sender: Francisco Lopez <•••@••.•••>

Hey, is true that Big Bird died?

Date: Wed, 07 Feb 96
From: <anon please>
Subject: Feedback for CJ


     As a ~lurker~, I like to have a good read where appropriate.  However,
     I do sometimes have difficulty finding time to go through all the mail
     I receive.  (I am on several lists, among other things.)

     I would like to see posts made less frequently, one a day maximum
     (excepting urgent issues, of course).  A very brief table of contents
     would be handy to weed out the stories which are of less interest.

     And comedy.  I agree that the jokes are out of place, but this is a
     GOOD thing.  A little light relief in an otherwise-sobering list
     provides a nice break, and of course, you don't have to read it!  :-)

     Otherwise a very good list.  The content is good.  I don't agree with
     everything, but it wouldn't be thought-provoking if I did!

     Keep up the good work.

Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996
From: Bill W Smith Jr <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: cr> Sitting Here in Limbo (minor nitpick)

>Remember the scene in the original Star Wars where the princess says "I
>have a feeling like a whole world was just destroyed."?  Cyberspace is such
>a world, but we don't know yet the speed of the shock waves.

Actually, Richard, it was Obi-wan Kenobi who said,"I felt a great
disturbance in the Force. As if a billion beings had cried out in terror,
and been suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."

Something terrible has, and we are all crying out. How long till we are

Bill W Smith Jr <•••@••.•••>                    (Compuserve) 76460,1443
Senior Programmer                       Around Utah, past Phoenix,

Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 19:17:26 -0800
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From: "Craig A. Johnson" <•••@••.•••>
To: "Multiple recipients of list •••@••.•••"
Subject: cr> The ACLU Online
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Date:          Wed, 7 Feb 1996
To:            •••@••.•••
From:          ACLU <•••@••.•••>
Subject:       The ACLU Online

ACLU Launches 'Freedom Network' Web Site
Brings Civil Liberties Activism To Cyberspace

Wednesday, February 7, 1995

The American Civil Liberties Union today launched its new World Wide
Web site -- the ACLU Freedom Network -- with special features for
students, activists and all Americans concerned about protecting and
preserving liberty.

Opened as political leaders in Washington are poised to end free
expression on the Internet, the ACLU's Freedom Network has complete
information on the threats to cyber-liberties, including details of
the ACLU's upcoming litigation against the Communications Decency Act.
Internet users can find the Freedom Network by directing their web
browsers to the following address: <<http://www.aclu.org>>.

The ACLU's  provocative and informative site contains a comprehensive
array of documents, news releases, legal briefs and Congressional
memos on all aspects of the ongoing struggle to protect civil
liberties. Among the special features are extensive looks at 15
issues, including:

   Church and State
   Criminal Justice
   Death Penalty
   Free Speech
   Immigrant's Rights
   Lesbian and Gay Rights
   National Security
   Racial Equality
   Reproductive Rights
   Student's Rights
   Voting Rights
   Women's Rights
   Workplace Rights

Each issue area contains internal links to ACLU press releases,
publications, and other resources -- including links to other Web
sites -- allowing users to stay on top of the latest developments in
their areas of interest.

Activists, journalists, and many others will want to sign up for
e-mail delivery of ACLU News Releases, Legislative Alerts, Scheduled
ACLU events on AOL, and the biweekly newsletter, ACLU Cyber-Liberties
Alert. For subscription instructions, request the FAQ at

Another Freedom Hall feature allows internet users to fax or e-mail a
letter to Attorney General Janet Reno, urging her to refrain from
prosecuting any indecency cases until the courts rule on the
Constitutionality of the indecency provisions of the
telecommunications bill.

The Freedom Network's "In the Courts" and "In Congress" sections
provide further primary source material, such as the text of Supreme
Court  decisions and summaries of current Congressional bills, as well
as unique ACLU information -- including photos and  profiles of some
ACLU clients.

Students and teachers will want to explore our special section devoted
to education, and sign-up for our online Students and  Faculty
databases. Users can even pick up some T-shirts -- or videos, or
books, or posters -- in our sophisticated online store.

The launch of the Freedom Network marks the third step into cyberspace
for the ACLU, which has since 1994 explored the medium's capacity to
broaden the nationwide community of civil libertarians, distribute
information, teach young people and bring activists together. In
addition to Freedom Hall, the ACLU hosts a very active forum --
Constitution Hall -- on America Online, the nation's largest
commercial online service. (Keyword ACLU).


Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996
Sender: Eric Folley <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: cj#454> CJ Feedback Needed! (esp. from LURKERS)

Hi Richard:

I certainly don't find the traffic too heavy. I get piles of mail each day,
and if I don't have the time to read CJ when it comes in, I just save it
till later. Every week or so, I get some time to relax and get caught up
with things. Works for me now as it is.

Eric Folley          |     •••@••.•••
Columbia, SC  USA    |     http://www2.scsn.net/users/efolley/

Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996
Sender: •••@••.••• (John Lowry)
Subject: Re: cj#457> Sitting Here in Limbo (fwd)

rkm wrote:
>        From this limbo sense of immanent loss I want to say -- stay online
>while you can, keep those reports coming in as long as we're on the air,
>and you in the undergoround listen for your coded messages.
>This is 04.51 Greenwich Mean Time, and our broadcast day is ending,
>Your Moderator,

Richard, on what do you base your pessimism?  Why would anyone want to shut
this list down?  Nothing that goes on here is in any way "obscene," or even
offensive to those out to "reinvent" or "minimize" government.  Those who
thought they were pulling a fast one by getting their language in the bill
don't understand we are a society of people, not of laws.  If "the law" were
going to order our lives, the Ten Commandments would have done the trick.
Conversaly, if unfettered communication were going to set us "free," you
would not now be feeling so glum.  But I say cheer-up, friend, as there is
cause for hope.  That cause is in the fact of "redemption" as a consistent
theme in human afairs and in the wisdom of an old Jewish saying that "the
person who does not believe in miracles is not a realist."




Since you ask, I'll tell you the basis of my pessimism.  I happen to
believe that things are going to get a lot worse in the U.S.  The rightward
drift is edging ever closer to outright fascism, and a reaction is
beginning to reach critical mass among the aware and the disenfranchised.
When this reaction catches fire, we may see the emergence of a popular
movement on a scale not seen for some time.

In such a scenario, which I happen to believe is inevitable, the Internet
has the potential to provide a formidable tool for organization and
"command and control".  CDA -- if the courts sustain it -- makes any
Internet forum vulnerable to selective prosecution and shutdown.  This
gives the government a handy way to shut down any net activity that becomes
politically troublesome.

Besides, the deregulatory sections of the Telcom Bill threaten to undermine
the economic viability of non-profit Internet usage all on its own, as flat
rates go away, per-message costs begin to rise, and ISV's are squeezed out
of the market by bundled telco service offerings.

I believe a political miracle becomes possible when activists find a
power-point of leverage from which they can influence public policy -- a
principle Ghandi was very clever at exploiting.  Finding those power points
calls for absolute realism.


From: "Wade Hudson" <•••@••.•••>
To: Northern.California.Alliance.Members
Date:          Thu, 8 Feb 1996
Subject:       Dugger on the Radio

Dear Alliance Members:

Ronnie Dugger is scheduled to appear on KQED-FM's (88.1) Forum show
Friday, February 16, 10:30-11:00 AM.

He will also appear on "We the People" with Jerry Brown on Pacifica
stations in the Bay Area, Los Angeles, Houston, and New York Monday,
February 19, 4:00 PM (PST).

Please consider spreading the word!

Wade Hudson


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