Date: 17 Dec 96 From: Robert Ward <•••@••.•••> To: "Richard K. Moore" <•••@••.•••> Subject: cj#625> Global Policeman or Bully? >> the point is not whether there was provocation in those situations << The point I was trying to make was that it is over-simplistic to declare that wars are "started" by one side, except in the legalistic sense that there is (sometimes) a formal declaration of war. As Richard cited the US Civil as an example : who actually started that? The Confederates becuase they started the shooting? Or the Union for its refusal to negotiate? WHo started WW1? Serbia - by shooting an Austrian Archduke, or Austria-Hungary through its ultimatum? (Or was it a conflict waiting to happen, with the shooting simply a trigger?). WW2? The UK (and France) formally declared war on Germany - did they start it, or was it Germany by invading Poland? >> US to any kind of provocation -- contrary to most other powers << Again (without wishing to defend US militarism!) the US is not the only offender in this respect. The same could be said of the UK - the British empire was created and maintained by military aggression. Ditto France - also a very militaristic nation! regards RW -------- Dear RW, As you point out, it isn't easy to say who is "really" respsonsible for a given historical event... and from a philosophical point of view, it's probably simplistic to seek _any_ prime mover in the onion-skin layers of mutual influence. I believe, however, that our societal consensus reality suffers from just the kind of over-simplistic judgements that you warn against. Isn't it the case that most of our fellow citizens take it as obvious that WW II resulted almost entirely from the evil-doing of A. Hitler?... and that the U.S. role in the war was just like that of Bogart in Casablanca? -- (trying to mind his own business, but when pressed, willing to be couragous in the defense of justice and democracy.) Against such an over-simplistic background, I was trying, in "America & the NWO", to present a strikingly different perspective, but one that I think is closer to a balanced view of history. I think "truth" -- if it can be found at all in history -- comes by looking via many perspectives, forming a stereoscopic perception, if you will. Cheers, -rkm ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~--~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~ Posted by Richard K. Moore - •••@••.••• - Wexford, Ireland Cyberlib: www | ftp --> ftp://ftp.iol.ie/users/rkmoore/cyberlib ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~--~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~
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