---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dan Desmond" <•••@••.•••> To: <•••@••.•••> Subject: RE: cj#878> surprise extra edition: re/Malthus & World Hunger Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:29:57 -0500 Some really good points, and worth pondering. However, I don't agree that the disequilibrium brought about by government and corporate policies is nearly as powerful a force as bioregional carrying capacity. Arithmetic gains vs exponential losses is the story of humankind since the dawn of the industrial revolution. To believe that any human contrivance, economic or no, can stave off a reckoning - well, there are other wagers with better promise. For another view of what is or is not sustainable, I recommend: http://www.dieoff.org -------------------- Dear Dan, I can't understand your position. You cite industrialization as the origin of our 'carrying capacity' problem, and yet you seem to dismiss the effect of over-industrialization now. Why is it that Rwanda had sufficient carrying capacity before IMF dictates but now doesn't? No one disputes that there is a carrying-capacity problem, and that ways need to be found to reduce population. The issues, as I see them, are: (1) It is capitalist expropriation of resources that is causing today's famines, not actual carrying capacity. (2) Population can be brought under control by poor nations on their own if imperialism is ended and they are allowed to use their own resoruces for their own benefit, and to determine their own economic and social policies. Have you looked at "World Hunger, Twelve Myths"? It's a short book, and it gives careful attention to the kind of arguments advanced in "http://www.dieoff.org". rkm ------------------------------------------------------------------------ a political discussion forum - •••@••.••• To subscribe, send any message to •••@••.••• A public service of Citizens for a Democratic Renaissance (mailto:•••@••.••• http://cyberjournal.org) ---------------------------------------------------------- Non-commercial reposting is hereby approved, but please include the sig up through this paragraph and retain any internal credits and copyright notices. .--------------------------------------------------------- To see the index of the cj archives, send any message to: •••@••.••• To subscribe to our activists list, send any message to: •••@••.••• Help create the Movement for a Democratic Rensaissance ---------------------------------------------- crafted in Ireland by rkm ----------------------------------- A community will evolve only when the people control their means of communication. -- Frantz Fanon
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