Climate change and mind control


Richard Moore

Previous related postings:

19 Mar 2007   Is global warming a hoax?
20 Mar 2007   re: global warming -- the science
22 Mar 2007   global warming science: dissenting views
23 Mar 2007   Global warming: politics & 'responses'
23 Mar 2007   Biofuels Boom Spurring Deforestation
28 Mar 2007   Global warming etc -- cure always worse than disease
29 Mar 2007   dialog re/global warming etc.
30 Mar 2007   more dialog re/ climate change etc.
30 Mar 2007   Globalists Love Global Warming
06 Apr 2007   Last stage of denial: ethanol will save us!



Global warming is a real problem, and co2 emissions definitely 
contribute to the problem.

What I'm trying to get you to think about is how this issue is being 
used to control our minds, to gain support for measures that will 
make things worse, and to make us think governments are on our side.


From: "Carl Page" <•••@••.•••>
To: rkm <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Fwd: dialog re/global warming etc.

Please unsubscribe me.  "<mailto:•••@••.•••>•••@••.•••".

I'm sorry, I tried 4 times but ezmlm doesn't seem to be able to do it 
with my current email setup.
Been a subscriber for at least 6 years, and mostly enjoyed it, but I 
absolutely cannot stomache climate change denials.

Life's too short to argue with creationists or exxon sponsored morons 
who might as well be. 


Hi Carl,

I've unsubscribed you and copied you on this one message.

I find it interesting that you didn't choose to unsubscribe when I 
posted "Is global warming a hoax?", or "global warming science: 
dissenting views". Those both presented 'denial' views, and I could 
have understood you objecting to that. Instead you unsubscribe after 
"dialog re/global warming etc.", which was in no way challenging the 
reality of global warming. Why is this?

You say life's too short to argue with certain people. That may be, 
but 'not talking to the other' is how we are kept divided as a 
society. This is part of the mind-control regime. Everyone sits there 
with their own little belief system, angry at the 'others' for not 
agreeing, and blaming them for the problems. Refusing dialog is not a 
solution to anything.


From: "Robert R. Holt" <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: dialog re/global warming etc.
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:36:05 -0400
To: •••@••.•••

Hi, Richard,

        It must make you somewhat uncomfortable to find yourself in 
the company of antisemites and Neanderthals like Sen. Inhofe in your 
quixotic stand on global warming.  I agree that the world would be a 
lot better off, and we'd have a much easier time coping with the 
climate change crisis if capitalism would kindly wither away, 
together with the power of the biggest corporations.  The route you 
advocate is appealing, but it reminds me of those who said, in the 
old days of legal segregation, the way to end racial injustice is to 
change the hearts of the racists, one by one.  No doubt a few of 
those black hearts got somewhat bleached by the loving efforts of 
truly enlightened people, but I think we would still have segregated 
schools etc. if it had not been for successful efforts WITHIN THE 
EXISTING SYSTEM.  The demand for perfection is always an enemy of the 
good, and I think you are dangerously perfectionistic in refusing to 
accept the facts that a highly developed climate crisis is already 
upon us, that the world's weather is going to get uncomfortably 
hotter and wilder, beset by unprecedented and simultaneous floods, 
droughts, and storms, and that the time for serious action has 
already been delayed for several decades.  Don't stand on the 
sidelines  while others are struggling to get the government to take 
meaningful action, sneering that it's all pointless because the 
international bankers control everything anyway.  Continue your 
effort to make fundamental economic and social change, but meanwhile 
don't abet Exxon-Mobil and the neocons by helping with more modest 
(though still enormously difficult) but more focused efforts to stave 
off disaster. Are you at least reading the reports of our best 
relevant scientists on what is happening and their pleas for 
concerted social action?  E.g., newsfeeds from the "Climate Crisis 
give useful weekly summaries and lead you to the original sources.

Bob Holt


Hi Bob,

People may be struggling to to get the government to take meaningful 
action, but they won't succeed. The government has no intention of 
taking meaningful action. They're pushing ethanol for cars, which 
simply keeps the car culture going, and also will result in mass 
starvation as acreage is taken out of food production. They'll hit us 
with carbon taxes, which simply transfers more wealth to military 
programs. And they'll use the issue to restart the nuclear power 
industry, which only opens us up to new dangers. They're pushing 
'carbon credits', which gives them permission to keep producing co2, 
and which is leading to deforestation. Do you take comfort in these 

I encourage people to think about transforming society not because I 
seek perfection, but because that's the only way we'll solve any of 
our problems.

You say that I am "refusing to accept the facts that a highly 
developed climate crisis is already upon us". That is simply untrue, 
and there's certainly nothing like that in the posting your are 
replying to, "dialog re/global warming etc."  This kind of irrational 
response is a sign that mind control is working.


Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:03:19 -0400
From: "David Schwartzman" <•••@••.•••>
To: •••@••.•••
Subject: Re: Globalists Love Global Warming

Yes, this article does capture one insight, that a significant 
faction, maybe even the dominant one,  of transnational capital will 
use the reality of likely climate change catastrophe to impose their 
model of globalization from above. This approach will likely include 
the imposition of onerous carbon taxes, with low income and the 
global working class bearing the burden of transition.

There has always been  an alternative to globalization from above of 
course, globalization from below, the creation of a transnational of 
peace and justice, fighting for global demilitarization, solarization 
and conversion of industrial agriculture to agroecology.

Denying the reality of likely Climate Change Catastrophe will simply 
hand over our planet to the regressive wing of capital that wants to 
prolong oil/coal and nuclear addiction or to the globalists from 
above. Richard which one do you prefer?

For more on the other world that is possible, go to:

David Schwartzman
I am a Profesor at Howard University,
Washington, DC, a research biogeochemist


Hi David,

Again, you are irrationally accusing me of 'denying the reality'. You 
are also assuming that debate about global warming affects what the 
government does. The government does not respond to public opinion, 
it manages public opinion to gain support for whatever actions it 
wants to take, for its own reasons.


Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:32:55 -0700
From: Caspar Davis <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: Globalists Love Global Warming
To: •••@••.•••

I don't think this guy's diatribe adds much light to the matter.



Hi Casper,

I am very curious about your response. Why do you say the posting 
adds no light, and why do you dismiss it as a 'diatribe'?

In the previous posting, I had commented that if the G8 is talking 
about climate change, that means they'll be using it to centralize 
their global power. I said this simply on the basis of how elites 
always operate. And then someone sent me the "Globalists Love Global 
Warming" article, which names names and gives details about that very 
centralization of power. I think that adds a lot of light. Perhaps 
you can expand on your message.


From: "Jerold Hubbard" <•••@••.•••>
To: <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: Globalists Love Global Warming
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:53:29 -0600

Did anyone ever come to think that they,and their offspring, the rich 
few; have to live on the planet themselves!!!!!!!!  And whatever one 
wants to say about the elite few who are basically running the 
civilized world, they are NOT stupid!!!

Jerold Hubbard


Hi Jerold,

Despite global warming, there will be nice places left to live 
somewhere, and those who are wealthy enough will be able to live 
there. I wish more people kept in mind the fact that 'they' are not 


Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:03:29 -0700
From: •••@••.•••
To: •••@••.•••
Subject: Re: Globalists Love Global Warming

    someone wrote:
         A common charge leveled against those who question the
         official orthodoxy of the global warming religion is that
         they are acting as stooges for the western establishment and
         big business interests. If this is the case, then why do the
         high priests of the elite and kingpin oil men continue to
         fan the flames of global warming hysteria?

Only recently have any global elites fanned such flames and this only 
after it started to become undeniable to many that are EXPERIENCING 
the warming.  "Elites" have always sought to maintain a mandate for 
their position and if they continue to ignore the vast changes 
occurring then they will lose clout.  It's really that simple.

To deny that humans are affecting the warming of the planet and 
exacerbating it is to deny that either A) the gases released by human 
industry trap heat or that B) human industry emits such gases. Either 
is easily proven.

This is my standing challenge to all that would deny the human effect 
on climate and I seriously doubt that any scientist (or anyone for 
that matter) is up to the task of denying either. If it can be shown 
that human industry produces such substances and if it can be shown 
that such gases trap heat (none of these individual pillars of the 
global warming "theory" has ever, to my knowledge, been denied by 
anyone - even the most vehement critics), then the global warming 
"debate" is over. Period.


Hi Smiley,

Again, you are talking about denial when there was no denial. Why?

Your argument about why global elites are fanning the flames does not 
make much sense. If they were afraid of 'losing clout' from public 
opinion, then why aren't they responding to concerns about the war in 
Iraq, or GMO crops, or dozens of other issues that people are 
concerned about?

They've picked one issue, succeeded in focusing our attention on 
that, and now they're going to proceed to do nothing about it while 
they pretend they are. Meanwhile you and others seem to resent there 
being any further discussion. That's mind control at work.


Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:04:59 +1200
From: "James Samuel" <•••@••.•••>
To: •••@••.•••
Subject: Re: more dialog re/ climate change etc.

Hi Richard,

In response to Anna-Maria you suggested that: "It's a matter of 
transforming society's infrastructures, food production, economic 
basis, etc."

I would suggest that more than this, it is a matter of a change of 
heart. From one of mistrust and suspicion, to one of trust and 

Out of that we may discover how little we "need" to live. When we 
have met our essential needs for food, shelter (warmth), clothing, 
then we can go onto the creative things like education, transport, 



Hi James,

Why do you assume people are mainly mistrustful and suspicious? I 
don't know anyone like that. It's a disempowering myth, a way to get 
us to blame ourselves, the victims, for how elites run the world.


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