dialog catchup

2012-01-29

Richard Moore

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rkm websitehttp://cyberjournal.org
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some thoughts on mind control
Larry Victor wrote: 
I agree with Richard that sophisticated propaganda is being directed to the “already educated”, but it is more ongoing experimental than a single coherent system. My take is that there are many elites competing with each other, and there is an ecology of conspiracies.  Sometimes the different elites will work together and other times they will conflict.
Many of elite actions are trying to ride the chaos, rather than trying to control the whole scene.
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You seem to be saying, basically, that ‘no one is in charge’, it’s a more-or-less ‘chaotic system’. That’s a reasonable theory, and you could point to various kinds of evidence to support the theory. However, there is a mountain of reliable documentation that shows how this seemingly chaotic system has been skillfully and successfully manipulated over the centuries by a very small number of people, as they steadily advance their own objectives and agendas. If you are interested in testing your theory, you might take a look, for example, at William Engdahl’s, Gods of Money:
rkm
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A Manifesto for Ireland: A Nation Once Again
Marc Bombois wrote:

Excellent, Richard!

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Peter Koenig wrote:
Excellent what you are writing about the Future of Ireland. I couldn’t agree more.
In fact, in November 2010 I wrote to the then Irish Minister Finance, Brian Lenihan, congratulating him for refusing to accept the ‘rescue package’ from the IMF and ECB, suggesting to exit the Eurzone and choose the sovereign path of deciding like a sovereign nation how to handle a sovereign debt — as did Argentina in 2001/2002 – with success – defaulting on its fraudulently ‘acquired’ (imposed) debt, redistributive GDP growth of an average annual 8%, reducing poverty from almost 70% in 2001 to below 14% at the beginning of 2011.
  From what I remember, Lenihan resigned under pressure – and the ‘package’ – or packages were accepted anyway by his successors. And the rest is history.
  Similar letters I wrote to the Finance Ministers of Greece in May 2010 – when the first rescue packages were ‘offered’ — to no avail, and again to his successor some 18 months later, when the onslaught of IMF / ECB was even stronger — of course, we know what happened.
  This idea of following a sovereign path was also propagated by the renowned Washington based Center for Economic Policy Research (CEPR).
  So – what you are saying is exactly in my line of thinking. You forgot to mention that the new ECB bankster boss is also from GS, plus he is the chief of the European Trilaterals — these criminals have so much audacity – they don’t even want to keep it secret anymore.
  They know, about people’s apathy, they know the media are successfully in control of the masses, no worries. All is fine and works like clockwork. The time bomb is ticking… and nobody cares.
  Your ideas of a ‘working group’ of committed people to bring about a change is great. If one country would choose the path out of the Eurozone slavery, others might follow. But as always it is up to We the People.
  How to do it peacefully? – Howard Zinn is one of the leaders in teaching peaceful revolution – by civil disobedience of the masses, strikes, boycotts, sit-ins, stop consuming, except for food…. The power of the people is almost endless – if properly organized.
 Congratulations for your initiative.
 Be well!
peter 

Thanks for your encouragement, re/ the path of sovereignty. 
I’ve learned a lot from Zinn. He writes about US history in terms of popular struggles, which he sees as the source of all social progress. In what he writes we see that movements based on civil disobedience in its various forms typically follow a certain path: the movement gets strong, the government gives it some of its demands, and then the movement goes away. On the one hand this can be seen as a process of incremental progress. On the other hand, it can be seen as power being always retained centrally, and all threats of power from below being neutralized by means of handouts. 
If we are seeking real transformation, real power from below, the lesson is that these kinds of movements are a waste of time. It is unfortunate that so many of today’s movements have not learned this lesson. There is one movement that was in a different category, the Progressive Movement, and Zinn gives it a lot of space. That movement wasn’t about civil disobedience at all, yet it has been the most successful of all American movements. 
It started as the Farmer’s Alliance, doing things like establishing co-ops for farmers. It was about people working together, and organizing to solve their own problems. It came to take in the populations of whole states, and Progressive Governors and Senators were elected. The movement achieved real political power, without confrontation.
The size of the population and territory engaged in the Populist Movement far exceeded the population and territory of Ireland. And the population of Ireland is being enslaved by the banks, as the American farmers were being enslaved back then. The solution for the farmers was organizing their local economy so it served them better. It seems to me the same solution shows similar promise for Ireland.
All of Zinn is inspiring and informative, but for me the story of the Populists is the jewel in the crown of Zinn’s work. It is from there I get my hope and inspiration for successful popular mobilization. 
rkm

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Jim Fadiman wrote:

i like the direction and feel your renewed energy. A free Ireland would be a great role model for other enslaved nations. 
  best as always


If Ireland were to pull it off, imagine how Greece would respond, and so on. Imagine the appeal of a successful non-violent model of national liberation, sans charismatic leaders. If they can do it, why can’t we?  It seems to me that would be a scary scenario for our elite overlords. 
I have a feeling that any visible progress in Ireland will raise alarm bells in high circles, higher than Dublin. A problem of success will be the emergence determined opposition from on high. But depending on the form that opposition takes, it could fan the flames rather than quenching them. 
exciting times,
rkm
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James McCumiskey wrote:

I am with you 100% on economic sovereignty, ditching the euro, declaring banks bankrupt and saying we owe the bondholders €0.
   I think people need to understand a key point: What is money?
Count me in
 James

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Sharon Almerigi wrote:

I like this very much. Only one thing I don’t like and that is the slogan ‘Occupy the Future’ since the future can only exist in our heads and our present will continue to be a striving for a future goal. We need to consider a way to bring it into the present as we create a vision for the  future. The vision is inside us and articulating that will be very empowering. As we are fully in the present together our next moves will become apparent as they will be based on inner wisdom. If you wonder where I am coming from, it is because I follow the teachings of Eckhart Tolle. Does anyone else resonate with my thoughts? Other than that, I agree that this is the time to make a move as Richard suggests.

How right you are! Our vision is in the future, but it must manifest in our present in a way that moves toward the vision. If that vision is of a nation running its own economy successfully, then we can bring it into the present by working together to figure out just how we’re going to run it. The vision becomes more and more complete; it becomes eventually a ‘shovel ready’ project. The it’s just a matter of voting out all the bastards and getting on with the vision.
rkm
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     re/ the vaccine controversey
Peggy Gillett wrote:
 It’s certainly true that anaphalaxis can occur after a vaccine is given. In 40 years of giving a series of annual vaccines to horses I did have one broodmare w/foal have this reaction. Luckily a vet got there in time to administer ephinephrine and she was fine. Most horse people keep a bottle of this in the frig just in case that one time in thousands occur. All docs are aware of this remote possibility.
  I still give a series of vaccinations every spring and often a booster in summer for some particularly lethal organisms. No horse keeper with a responsible brain fails to vaccinate. No less should be done for people.
Sincerely,
Peggy

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John O’Dowd wrote:

OK Richard,
   Now we ARE talking serious science, by serious scientists published in peer-reviewed journals.
This is of an order entirely different from your osteopath lady – and an important component of the overall debate.
More like this.
Best,
John


There are couple more that I’d put in the same category down at the end of this posting.
rkm

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     Newt Gingrich and the elimination of the family
Molly Morgan wrote:
Hi, Richard –
Of course, there is nothing new about Newt’s proposal. As I believe you have pointed out at other times in your writing, and I would presume other writers observed when this idea was originally floated, forcibly separating children from their biological parents for state indoctrination was a tactic used to destroy indigenous communities on multiple continents in the 19th and early 20th centuries. The propaganda was that it was for their own good, to civilize them. When murdering native peoples became politically unpopular, this was one of the replacements (along with forced sterilization). And it had precedent, too, from the standard practices employed during slavery in previous centuries.
     For purposes of demonization, the caricature of a person on welfare is the inner city black mother, aka “welfare queen.” I haven’t worked with these numbers for several years, so the following may be out of date. But it may still be accurate that there are actually more white people on welfare than black, Latino, or other ethnic groups. But the stereotype works well to make harsh policies palatable to those with more financial means, particularly white ones. Skin color and ethnicity was the primary dividing wedge in the US but not in other countries where a class system was in place and these differences didn’t exist. This is a way to make it more palatable here, as you have also observed, in support of the NWO.
 Cheers,
 Molly
In so many ways, the coming of the NWO is a matter of ‘crossing the Rubicon’ – bringing practices long common in the colonies into Rome itself: the once-privileged Western World. Practices long used on the ‘other’ in our name, now being used on ‘us’. Police state suppression, preventive detention, destruction of worker rights, IMF debt enslavement, etc. 
We cannot shrink from observing that systematic genocide has also been frequent on the ‘other side of the Rubicon’, as with Native Americans, Australian Aborigines, and today in much of Africa. It was a lie that ‘we’ were the privileged imperialists. We were the temporarily privileged house-slaves of the all-privileged imperialist class. As our role becomes redundant, we become expendable. 
transformation is a matter of dire urgency,
richard

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FYI: some reader comments, re/ ‘perils of vaccines’


Peggy Gillett wrote:
Overpopulation is everywhere, even our upstate NY semi depressed part of the world. Polluton is rampant, loss of habitat is insane, agribusiness (Monsanto, big oil, etc.) running food production, people living like rats in many places, and the list goes on. Yes, a big part of the trouble is the US arming the planet for exploitation of resources. Check out the ocean science—even the biggest seas are largely trashed. 
A few of us have converted to organic farming, little niches have grown up all over, but it can’t compete w/big money as they run the governments who decide where resources really go. Most people would love to change the system but I’m afraid, as a top journalist recently wrote, “there’s too much tribalism in the world for that”.
Sincerely,
Peggy


I hear you saying that the system is not providing a livable niche for all the people, and that is overpopulation. If the system was providing a livable niche, then we wouldn’t be over-populated. When most of us talk about overpopulation, we’re asking whether or not the system can be changed to support all the people. Some people say it’s just impossible, there are just too many people for the Earth, and that’s what we mean by ‘overpopulated’. Upstate NY is definitely not overpopulated in that sense. There’s enough land for everyone who lives there to have plenty of food and plenty of space to live. But the current system doesn’t make the land available to them.
rkm
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l.durand wrote:

Overpopulation is pure propaganda. Our world can be considered overpopulated only if everyone wants to live like an avarable american, ie waste as much daily. Even here in Europe we do not waste as much although since last world war, the media have fought hard to make us behave like a typical american in order to sustain an artificila corporate growth. It is the corporations who consider our world in over populated. I warmly advise that the lady called Peggy read any of Frances Lappé ‘s books, she is a world expert on the subject and explains very clearly that we produce more food than is needed to feed every single human being on this planet, it is just the way this food is wasted that generates famine.

It turns out Peggy was using the same word but with a different meaning in her mind. Nonetheless, she might find Lappé quite interesting. I don’t see much of a difference between the US and Europe, re/ waste and consumption. And I don’t see waste as the central issue. The issue is who gets to decide how resources are allocated. Waste is a consequence of thieves grabbing more than they can really use.
rkm
 
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Les Lizama wrote:

Richard,
Your subscriber Peggy Gillett writes:

“Sir: Whatever one “thinks” about vaccines, they, along with antibiotics and cleaner water, are largely responsible for overpopulation around the world!”
Peggy makes my point, as she either clearly points out the “risks” of scientific discoveries that help humanity as a whole, or she is very, very disturbed.
  As in the case with man-made climate change, the world of reputable science agrees unanimously that childhood vaccinations prevent pandemics, have all but eradicated many deadly diseases, and have eased and prevented incalculable suffering and death. Such is also the case with linking vaccines to autism…there is just no credible evidence linking the two…quite the opposite.
  To be sure, Chicken Little had a purpose…he got people to pay attention. But, once our attention is focused, it is our responsibility to intelligently gather the facts, determine the risks and rewards, and do what’s best for EVERYONE. Closed-minded? I’d say that continuing to believe a lie despite the evidence is the ultimate closed mind.    
   Leave that to the Tea-zombies.
   Les Lizama
   Mill Valley, CA

No credible evidence linking vaccines to autism? You seem very sure of yourself. I suggest you check out the articles below. And you say the world of ‘reputable science’ agrees about man-made climate change’. You’ve heard that have you? From the media perhaps? Thousands of reputable scientists have signed a document saying they don’t believe in man-made climate change, but I guess if that’s not in the media it doesn’t count. 

In fact the argument for man-made climate change is based on two particular correlations: the correlation between man-made carbon emissions and temperature rise for the two centuries since 1800, and the very long term correlation between Co2 levels and temperature. However, it turns out that in the very long-term record, Co2 lags temperature change, it doesn’t lead it. And the correlation since 1800 is bogus, as the temperature rise was part of a natural pattern that just happened to coincide with the rise of the Industrial Revolution, when man-made carbon emissions were also increasing. 

The so-called ‘climate scientists’ behind the global-warming scam don’t even study climate. They don’t even look at the long range patterns, or try to understand what causes them. They simply take their bogus correlation, and make extrapolations from it. And then they lie about today’s temperature conditions, by using meaningless averages, over years, and across hemispheres. 

You are confusing ‘evidence’ with media pronouncements.

rkm
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Omas Schaefer wrote, re: Blaylock Interview:
Here is the link to the Alex Jones archive page on GCN. Just choose January 18th (hour 2). Dr. Blaylock comes at the bottom of the hour (halfway point).

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Brian Martin: Debating vaccination

Dion Giles wrote:
Richard, this is one of the best treatments (maybe THE best treatment) of the relationship between expert opinion and critical lay opinion (and experience) that I have ever read.  Brian Martin has wisely focused not on the merits of each issue but on the most productive approach to all such issues. He has brilliantly left anyone seeking to duck his focus (e.g. by PC assertions about the content of the issues themselves) no wriggle room for manoeuvre.  This is in the Enlightenment spirit of demarcationism as described by the best philosophers of science such as Imre Lakatos, and brushes aside the diversions of subjective, anti-rational romanticism and Wittgensteinian elitism that fuel the Revolt Against Reason.
Thanks for a really fantastic post.
Dion


Here’s another article that seems to have considerable credibility:
New Evidence Refutes Fraud Findings in Dr. Wakefield Case

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