Friends, Sorry for these frequent posts, but I've found that when people keep sending in responses, it's best to 'follow the energy'. rkm -------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:37:08 -0800 From: Phil Lyons <> To: •••@••.••• Subject: Re: JFK's fatal speech... [http://cyberjournal.org/show_archives/?id=1353] [http://cyberjournal.org/show_archives/?id=1354] Is he talking about that cabal or the RED menace ? I'm not impressed with Kennedy's progressive credentials. Phil lyons -------------------------------------------------------- Hi Phil, Yes, in the 1961 speech he's clearly demonizing the RED menace. I'm glad you brought up the question of JFK's 'progressive credentials'. With JFK we are looking at someone who went through changes, who learned in office, and who shifted his perspective and objectives based on what he learned. Most significantly, and rare for a President, we see someone who pursued his sincere (and evolving) convictions against all odds. In classical terms, going back to Greek drama and earlier, this is an 'heroic' quality. He started out with a naive belief in the capitalist system and was puzzled the US was having such a hard time convincing the third world to flock to our leadership. At the beginning then, he amounted to the worst kind of imperialist, the kind who thinks he's 'doing the right thing'. The Bay of Pigs was probably the turning point for him. He experienced both betrayal, by the CIA, and public humiliation. This put the fear of God into him, and forced him to re-evaluate the Vietnam situation. He could now foresee a Bay-of-Pigs writ large, a huge failure in the making, as indeed it later turned out to be. Once he began to think in terms of abandoning the Vietnam project, he was forced to dig down deep for a new framework for coherent national policy. Meanwhile his eyes had been opened considerably about the realities of capitalism and its coercive methods. This period of 'internal re-evaluation and re-commitment' is also part of the classic heroic form, the 40 days in the desert, the Vision Quest. Some of his positive initiatives began before this re-evaluation period, but those merged into what became a grand strategy for transforming both the American economy and the whole world system, in ways that deserve the very highest progressive praise. Our 'hero' had finally found his true mission and began to pursue it relentlessly. I believe this mission is what we need to judge him by, and he gets only more credit for his ability to escape his pre-heroic condition. One of his strongest tactical moves was the Moon Project. His vision here was to bring large segments of the military-industrial complex 'on side' by giving them something else to employ themselves with, and profit from, besides armaments and warfare. With his move against the Fed, and his intention to end the arms race and move toward total global disarmament, we can see the broad outlines of his heroic vision. The scariest part of this to the men behind the curtain was the fact that JFK had the charisma and force of character to succeed in his mission, particularly since the Soviets would have been totally supportive. The masters of the universe were threatened with a democratic coup from below, and the loss of their centuries-built power pyramid. Only a courageous hero would have entered into this Lion's den. rkm -------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jeff Keiffer" <> To: <•••@••.•••> Subject: Re: correction re/JFK's fatal speech Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:20:28 -0500 Yeah, I found that after doing some research on the movie Zeitgeist. I was mad at them for editing it and making it sound like he actually said those words, later I came to respect it as an artistic illustration for what the creator was trying to get across. -------- Hi Jeff, He did actually say the words, but he said a lot else in between that changes the meaning totally.It was a very poor editorial decision in the long run. rkm -------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy <> To: <•••@••.•••> Subject: Re: correction re/JFK's fatal speech Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:00:42 -0500 Richard, Could it be this group that JFK was referring to? Thanks, Peggy--also with slow dialup Bilderberg 2007 (May 31 - June 3) Istanbul, Turkey --<snip>-- Hi Peggy, No, he was referring to the 'Red menace'; it was a Cold War speech. His later moves were against those folks who organize the Bilderberger meetings, which are vehicles for disseminating elite agendas to lower-echelon elites, politicians, and technocrats. rkm -- -------------------------------------------------------- Posting archives: http://cyberjournal.org/show_archives/ Escaping the Matrix website: http://escapingthematrix.org/ cyberjournal website: http://cyberjournal.org How We the People can change the world: http://governourselves.blogspot.com/ Community Democracy Framework: http://cyberjournal.org/DemocracyFramework.html Film treatment: A Compelling Necessity http://rkmcdocs.blogspot.com/2007/08/film-treatment-compelling-necessity.html Moderator: •••@••.••• (comments welcome)
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