dialog re/JFK’s fatal speech


Richard Moore


Sorry for these frequent posts, but I've found that when people keep 
sending in responses, it's best to 'follow the energy'.


Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:37:08 -0800
From: Phil Lyons <>
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Subject: Re: JFK's fatal speech...

Is he talking about that cabal or the RED menace ? I'm not impressed 
with Kennedy's progressive credentials. Phil lyons


Hi Phil,

Yes, in the 1961 speech he's clearly demonizing the RED menace.

I'm glad you brought up the question of JFK's 'progressive 
credentials'. With JFK we are looking at someone who went through 
changes, who learned in office, and who shifted his perspective and 
objectives based on what he learned. Most significantly, and rare for 
a President, we see someone who pursued his sincere (and evolving) 
convictions against all odds. In classical terms, going back to Greek 
drama and earlier, this is an 'heroic' quality.

He started out with a naive belief in the capitalist system and was 
puzzled the US was having such a hard time convincing the third world 
to flock to our leadership. At the beginning then, he amounted to the 
worst kind of imperialist, the kind who thinks he's 'doing the right 
thing'. The Bay of Pigs was probably the turning point for him. He 
experienced both betrayal, by the CIA, and public humiliation. This 
put the fear of God into him, and forced him to re-evaluate the 
Vietnam situation. He could now foresee a Bay-of-Pigs writ large, a 
huge failure in the making, as indeed it later turned out to be.

Once he began to think in terms of abandoning the Vietnam project, he 
was forced to dig down deep for a new framework for coherent national 
policy. Meanwhile his eyes had been opened considerably about the 
realities of capitalism and its coercive methods. This period of 
'internal re-evaluation and re-commitment' is also part of the 
classic heroic form, the 40 days in the desert, the Vision Quest.

Some of his positive initiatives began before this re-evaluation 
period, but those merged into what became a grand strategy for 
transforming both the American economy and the whole world system, in 
ways that deserve the very highest progressive praise. Our 'hero' had 
finally found his true mission and began to pursue it relentlessly. I 
believe this mission is what we need to judge him by, and he gets 
only more credit for his ability to escape his pre-heroic condition.

One of his strongest tactical moves was the Moon Project. His vision 
here was to bring large segments of the military-industrial complex 
'on side' by giving them something else to employ themselves with, 
and profit from, besides armaments and warfare. With his move against 
the Fed, and his intention to end the arms race and move toward total 
global disarmament, we can see the broad outlines of his heroic 
vision. The scariest part of this to the men behind the curtain was 
the fact that JFK had the charisma and force of character to succeed 
in his mission, particularly since the Soviets would have been 
totally supportive. The masters of the universe were threatened with 
a democratic coup from below, and the loss of their centuries-built 
power pyramid. Only a courageous hero would have entered into this 
Lion's den.


From: "Jeff Keiffer" <>
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Subject: Re: correction re/JFK's fatal speech
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:20:28 -0500

Yeah, I found that after doing some research on the movie Zeitgeist. 
I was mad at them for editing it and making it sound like he actually 
said those words, later I came to respect it as an artistic 
illustration for what the creator was trying to get across.


Hi Jeff,

He did actually say the words, but he said a lot else in between that 
changes the meaning totally.It was a very poor editorial decision in 
the long run.


From: Peggy <>
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Subject: Re: correction re/JFK's fatal speech
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:00:42 -0500


Could it be this group that JFK was referring to?

Peggy--also with slow dialup

Bilderberg 2007 (May 31 - June 3) Istanbul, Turkey

Hi Peggy,

No, he was referring to the 'Red menace'; it was a Cold War speech. 
His later moves were against those folks who organize the 
Bilderberger meetings, which are vehicles for disseminating elite 
agendas to lower-echelon elites, politicians, and technocrats.



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