dialog to 24 Nov


Richard Moore

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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:26:49 -0400
Organization: Institute for Professionals in Taxation
From: "Peter Hollings" <>
Subject: RE: dialog from the Sunshine Coast...

Richard --

I appreciated the discussion below on creating a real democracy and 
it reminded me of a very worthwhile paper that I think makes a 
contribution to this, at least with respect to dealing with the 
particular challenges this currently poses in the United States. The 
paper's author, Stout, is or was recently president of the American 
Academy of Religion, a group of academic theologians. I have attached 
a copy of the paper in PDF. If it would be more convenient, I could 
convert it to text for you.


Peter Hollings


Hi Peter,

Stout says in his Intro:
       "Saying that we have already entered the new dark
         ages or a post-democratic era may prove to be a
         self-fulfilling prophecy, because anyone who
         accepts this message is apt to give up on the hard
         work of organizing and contestation that is needed
         to hold political representatives accountable to the

My view, and I think the evidence is quite clear here, is that our 
form of government is not democratic and was never intended to be so. 
Government's main role is to protect the interests of wealthy elites, 
and those elites have ways of getting their candidates into office. 
It's been that way ever since the the Constitution was written in 
secret, by -- you guessed it -- wealthy elites. 'We the People' 
indeed!  'Contestation' does not succeed in making anyone 
accountable, but it does succeed in keeping people divided.

Those who believe in the myth of 'restoring democracy' are apt to 
give up on the kind of hard work that can transform our societies.


From: P
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Subject: comment from upstate NY
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:27:57 -0400

Hi Richard,

As one of your regular readers who is  a great admirer of Bill 
Moyers, Wow! Congrats to you both.

My brother just got back from Afghanistan Mts. as an imbedded 
reporter and has been in Iraq several times so we know it's even 
worse than reported. Similar yet even worse than when he was in Viet 
Nam This is just the tip of the iceberg of how totally corrupting the 
military-industrial-congressional-multinational complex truly is. We 
are all enraged.

Another brother who has a small construction company (begun by 
building sheds, barns, etc. for the neighbors in order to pay the 
farm taxes) says one way to get control of the country again would 
for every single worker in the country to just stay home for X amount 
of time.In other words, just start over using what 
Franklin-Jefferson-Washington, etc. gave us for a new beginning. Of 
course we need a real leader that the world could get behind to do 
this--A JFK who they would probably shoot....... Perhaps someone 
could bring this up at the next town meeting day. Too bad they are in 
Vermont only, just across the lake from us.


Hi P,

General strikes are indeed a good way for people to express their 
power non-violently. That can only happen when people have 'found 
their common mind', their empowerment. A 'great leader' is not the 
answer. We need to learn to stop being sheep...praying for a 'better 
shepherd' simply preserves our sheepness.


From: "Peter Hollings" <>
To: "'Richard Moore'" <•••@••.•••>
Subject: The Emergence of a Global Infrastructure For Mass 
Registration and Surveillance: 10 Signposts
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:36:02 -0400

Richard --

I think this deserves some publicity.

Peter Hollings

The Emergence of a Global Infrastructure For Mass Registration and 
Surveillance: 10 Signposts

From: Bill Blum
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 13:55:00 EST
Subject: Anti-Empire Report, November 6, 2007

Anti-Empire Report, November 6, 2007

Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 19:45:09 EST
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From: jim fadiman
Subject: Re: from Wexford: rkm trip report: "The Harmonization Tour"

thank you for such a wonderful report- the report itself, factual and helpful
and that you ended up so high from doing the work, not just talking about it.

From: Brenda
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Subject: Greetings from Toronto
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:03:02 -0500


I just finished reading your book,"Escaping the Matrix" and  it was 
exactly what I was looking for! I have been involved with a number of 
different political parties over the years but could never quite 
reconcile with the fact that they all operated from the top down. My 
experience with NGO's didn't seem to do it  either because the leader 
burnout rate was phenomenal and they could only ever hope to 
influence decision makers, not make decisions. And then a friend of 
mine whose political insight I greatly admired, dropped out of the 
political circuit altogether. He felt that individual spiritual 
development made politics unnecessary.  I did not think that any of 
these approaches was enough to prevent a global meltdown. I spent 
some time researching different political strategies but at the same 
time I knew that what was needed had a lot to do with creating 
community and democratic decision making.

I am hoping to organize a workshop on Dynamic Facilitation in 
Toronto, Canada. I have been in touch with Rosa Zubizarreta and she 
is willing to facilitate - although if she couldn't make it up here I 
would understand. It's a long drive from Great Barrington to Toronto. 
Anyway, I wanted to thank you for taking the essential leap forward 
that is so necessary if we are going to get out of this mess.

All the best,


Hi Brenda,

Thanks for your note. It appears you were 'ready' for the message of 
ETM. If it doesn't work out with Rosa for some reason, contact DeAnna 
Martin <•••@••.•••> of the Center for Wise Democracy.

Also, you might want to join this low-traffic email list by sending a 
message to:


From: "GUY L PROUTY" <>
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:43:46 -0800
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Subject: Re: Salt Lake City Mayor: "We won't take it anymore!"

Very good Richard.  That is why I suggest that everybody become war 
tax resistors because if you pay federal taxes, one half of those 
taxes go to pay for war and that's all that really matters.  Do you 
think they really care what you believe or think?  I doubt it! 
However, if millions of Americans such as yourself made it 
very difficult for the IRS to get your war tax money which they will 
shuffle off to the Pentagon, then that will send a true message. 
Check out <http://www.nwtrcc.org>, the National War Tax Resistance 
Coordinating Committee for more information.


Guy Prouty, Ph.D
Eugene, Oregon


Hi Guy,

Unfortunately, this kind of campaign can only be effective up until 
the point it becomes too effective. That is, if it really caused 
budget problems, the government would find a way to confiscate our 


From: BE Goodman
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:53:45 EST
Subject: Re: Salt Lake City Mayor: "We won't take it anymore!"
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All I can say is "BRAVO"!!!!!!!!!!!

From: "Jeff Keiffer" <>
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Subject: Re: Salt Lake City Mayor: "We won't take it anymore!"
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:44:39 -0500

Wow, reminded me of MLK while I was reading it.

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:08:38 EST
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From: jim fadiman
Subject: Re: Dahr Jamail: "Beyond the Green Zone"- NOW AVAILABLE!

I've been hearing him and reading bits of all this. he is terrific in
describing the dishonest Hell that the US has built around itself in Iraq.

From: "John Lowry" <>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:07:26 -0800
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Subject: Re: Strong Democracy, Societies, and Resonant Fields

Richard -- Sign me up!


Hi John,

Sorry, but applications are pending until we create the resonant field.


From: "Lincoln Justice" <>
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Subject: Re: Strong Democracy, Societies, and Resonant Fields
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:06:11 -0600


I believe the biological model you suggest for democratic societies 
has great power if people can get a mental picture of how a healthy 
biological community operates.  The cells of the human body is a 
handy model that most people can understand.   The resonate energy 
field that holds this community of cells together is the human 
spirit.   When the spirit departs, the community of cells fall apart 
and die.   Therefore, I believe that the energy field that holds any 
community together is a group spirit -- a team spirit, a family 
spirit, a national spirit, etc.   Bee hives and ant colonies are 
examples of insect communities that are held together by an energy 
field or spirit.

Within the human body each organ and system appears to have its own 
cohesive energy field that enable that group of cells to operate as a 
unit --  kidneys, liver, heart, etc.

The heart and circulatory system serves the function of a beautiful 
economic/transportation system.   It is a medium of exchange of life 
giving resources to every cell in the body in according to its 
changing needs.   No part of the body is allowed to starve.   The 
heart is love in motion.

Every function and system within the human body has a corresponding 
system within the body of Mother Earth.
I believe that a careful examination of biological systems can 
provide a miniature model of a healthy global community.     In the 
advance publication copy  of EARTH ALIVE (1989), there is an outline 
for developing planet Earth according to the patterns in the human 
body.   Peter Russell has an exciting book THE GLOBAL BRAIN AWAKENS 
in which he shows how humans now function as the nervous system for 
the planet.  Within this century humanity has created an electronic 
global communication network enables instant communication.

Perhaps a biological model might be a helpful guide for our 
transition from today's systems and infrastructures, to a 
sustainable, peaceful, and healthy future.

The comments above are just a quick response to your email.    I will 
be happy to give a more organized outline of the subject, if this 
would be helpful.    I have been gathering information on this 
subject since 1989.

Lincoln B. Justice

Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:49:55 -0700
From: Sue Supriano <>
Subject: Brasscheck TV:  9/11 - The fascist blueprint

What Naomi [Wolf] is saying in this video is exactly what I've been 
thinking for quite a few years as I've watched it so obviously 
unfolding.  I keep wondering why so many other people don't see it. 
Maybe it's my age and university education in Political Science at 
the particular time I was at universities in the mid '50's and early 
60's.  In any case, I do hope you watch it, even though it takes some 
time, and pass it on!!  It seems to me important that people are able 
to put together what they see and hear.  Of course, there's still 
time to stop it and maybe "collapse" will aid that.  Who knows?  I 
just know we should ALL be paying attention at least!

One love,




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