Re: Update on Israeli military aggression

2002-04-11

Richard Moore

Bcc: contributors

Friends,

Lots of people responded to the posting "Update on Israeli
military aggression".  Some responses were quite heated, and
a wide spectrum of views were expressed.  As usual, names
are removed from those which were addressed to me
personally.

As an introduction, I'm including excerpts from a recent
posting by Bill Thomson describing what is currently going
on in the Palestinian refugee camps.

rkm
http://cyberjournal.org

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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:21:40 -0400
To: (Recipient list suppressed)
From: Bill Thomson <•••@••.•••>
Subject: MIDEAST URGENT ACTION:  4/11/02-1 (AM--EST)
---<snip>---

Excellent sources for current updates:  
http://www.truthout.org/ 
 http://www.palestinechronicle.com 
http://www.jerusalem.indymedia.org 
http://www.soundvision.com/info/jerusalem
http://www.jewsagainsttheoccupation.org/.
Previous copies of these updates will be available at  
http://www.soundvision.com/info/jerusalem
---<snip>---

Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 15:50:59 +0200
From: "Lawsociety" <•••@••.•••>
To: "Lawlist List Member" <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Israel digs mass graves - covering up war crimes {01}

Israel digs mass graves - covering up war crimes
10 April 2002

This morning, April 10, LAW has managed to obtain the
following information from Jenin refugee camp. Residents of
the refugee camp report that they were first moved from the
camp. Eyewitnesses stated that Israeli forces are now
digging large holes inside Jenin refugee camp and in
surrounding areas. They have stated their fears that these
are mass graves, where the several killed (numbers still to
be confirmed) in the refugee camp will be buried.
Eyewitnesses saw Israeli forces putting bodies inside the
holes. The area is located in the middle of the camp, also
known as Haret al-Hawarish.
---<snip>---

LAW believes that these current actions suggest an intention
to hide evidence of Israeli war crimes committed in Jenin
refugee camp.  They follow statements made by Israeli
foreign minister Shimon Peres in Ha'aretz, April 9, 2002,
that a "massacre" has been carried out in the camps and
statements made by Israeli army officers that "the soldiers
are almost not advancing on foot. The bulldozers are simply
'shaving' the homes and causing terrible destruction. When
the world sees the pictures of what we have done there, it
will do us immense damage."  "However many wanted men we
kill in the refugee camp, and however much of the terror
infrastructure we expose and destroy there, there is still
no justification for causing such great destruction."

Peter Hansen, director of UNRWA also confirmed on April 7,
2002, that "We are getting reports of pure horror - that
helicopters are strafing residential areas, that systematic
shelling by tanks has created hundreds of wounded, that
bulldozers are razing refugee homes and that food and
medicine will soon run out.
---<snip>---

LAW reaffirms that these military assaults targeting
civilians throughout the Occupied Palestinian Territories,
including Jenin and Nablus amount to war crimes and crimes
against humanity. LAW condemns as well these ongoing
attempts to prevent access for human rights monitors,
journalists, and humanitarian agencies to these sites of
mass killings to investigate and document evidence of war
crimes and crimes against humanity.
---<snip>---

___________________________

  William J. (Bill) Thomson, Ph.D.
      (•••@••.•••)

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Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 09:43:53 -0500
From: B
To: <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Update on aggression

Dear Richard:

Thanks for your beautiful statement the Israeli/Palestine
crisis. There appears a big turn, from an uncaring humanity
to caring-- this is more than parochial it is a humanity
issue

B

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From: T
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:13:50 EST
Subject: Re: Update on Israeli military aggression
To: •••@••.•••

  rkm > There can be no excuse for unleashing a modern army on
  a mainly unarmed civilian population.

can you spell afghanistan?

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Dear T,

Can you spell parallel?

rkm

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From: "SAMSIMON" <•••@••.•••>
To: <•••@••.•••>
Subject: RE: Update on Israeli military aggression
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:26:14 -0500

See Tom Friedens's Sunday's piece. Palestinian's are not
using suicide bombers out of desperation. It is a calculated
strategic decision to get their objective, and it is
working. It is their choice of weapon in their war.  If it
works, and it is, it will be come every guerilla movements
weapon of choice   -- watch out.

Sam

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Dear Sam,

What we should be 'watching out' for, in my opinion, are the
racist, imperialist policies which cause people around the
world to form guerilla movements as their only desperate
means of collective defense.

rkm

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From: "Darren & Helen" <•••@••.•••>
To: <•••@••.•••>
Subject: RE: Update on Israeli military aggression
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:30:00 +0930

Suicide Bombers ? - Are they ALL Palestinian? Mossad is well
known for it's Flase-Flag operations - in fact it is pretty
much their standard MO. I don't doubt that some young
idealistic palestinians do in fact become martyrs - but car
bombs? No...that's israel creating public opinion....

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Dear D & H,

I'm sure some of that must be going on.  It's standard
procedure not just for Mossad, but for intelligence services
around the world going back centuries.  Permit me to suggest
that a wider point can be made along these same lines. 
Self-inflicted bombings or not, the actions of Israel's
hawkish leadership seems to have been designed to provoke a
desperate response sooner or later.  The Western media
typically assigns the initiative to the Palestinians:
~first~ a suicide bombing, and ~then~ an Israeli response. 
I think a fairer characterization is that the Israeli
occupation forces squeeze the population until it responds,
and then use that response as an excuse to squeeze harder.
The settlements are a clear message that Israel envisions no
permanent home for the Palestinians in the evolving Greater
Israel.

rkm

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Delivered-To: •••@••.•••
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 20:07:10 -0800
To: "Richard K. Moore" <•••@••.•••>
From: A
Subject: Re: Update on Israeli military aggression

  rkm published>
    >ISRAEL GOES ON NUCLEAR STRIKE STANDBY
    >Gordon Thomas (EXCLUSIVE)
    >by Gordon Thomas
    
Unless you have some of the source of the story, at least
enough to be able to say what forces are circulating it so
that we can analyse their motives in doing so, I can see no
justification for further spreading it around.

A

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Dear A,

I'm less interested in the motivation of the distributors
than I am in the validity of the report itself. Many
analysts have expressed concern about a wider war erupting
in the region, and I would be quite surprised if Israel were
not on nuclear military alert.  It would not be like them to
be unprepared for predictable emergencies.  The source and
content of the report impressed me as being credible and
sensible, and the topic was one deserving of widespread
distribution. That's about the only filter I can apply,
given the limited time I can devote to this work.  For those
who want to check further, I did as usual include whatever
headers and internal addresses that were present in 
the original posting.

rkm

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From: •••@••.•••
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 16:51:06 EST
Subject: Re: Update on Israeli military aggression
To: •••@••.•••

Richard,

Re the Israeli-Palestinian conflict -- The historic
suffering of the Jewish people is not only irrelevant as you
say, it's mocked by the Israelis themselves. In case you
missed it, Israeli soldiers were marking numbers on the arms
of Palestinian prisoners.

Bill Blum

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From: •••@••.•••
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 18:11:52 EST
Subject: Re: Update on Israeli military aggression
To: •••@••.•••

  rkm> There can be no excuse for unleashing a modern army on
  a mainly unarmed civilian population.

Perhaps this is true, but our own government is shameful,
too. As for the Palestine people, the Arabs are as much to
blame as Jews.  Besides, God gave all that land to Abraham
and if you follow the 12 Tribes you will know who has
ancient title and has been ostersized from the land.  It is
the Jews.

Carl

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Dear Carl,

OK, both governments are shameful.  Glad we agree on that
much.

I don't blame 'the Jews' for anything.  What is in question
are the actions of States against civilian populations, and
the suppression of minorities.  In this case the States are
Israel and its underwriter, the USA.  If you see this as a
struggle between races, then I suggest that is part of the
problem.  Many of those protesting Israeli policy are Israelis
and / or Jews.

I can only say that this 'ancient title' argument is
ludicrous.  If you take that seriously, then everyone of
European descent would need to move back to Europe, from the
Americas, Australia. etc.  Or perhaps you would suggest they
live under well-armed governments run by the direct
descendents of the original native peoples.

Israel has a right to exist under international law
precisely because superceded titles are ~not~ considered
valid.  Otherwise, the Palestinians might have a claim that
Israel was created illegally by the UN.  I'm sure you would
protest any such claim as being unfair to the current 
inhabitants.

rkm


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Delivered-To: •••@••.•••
From: N
To: "Richard K. Moore" <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: Update on Israeli military aggression
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:12:54 -0500

  rkm> I am aware that many of you do not share my views on
  what's going on there.  The issues are clouded by the
  Palestinian suicide bombers who target innocent civilians,
  as well as by the sympathy all of us share for the historic
  suffering of the Jewish people.  As I see it, the historic
  suffering issue is entirely irrelevant to the present day
  circumstances,

It might be to you Richard, but it's not to us. This callous
attitude has been the big mistake of the Left regarding the
Mid East and why the Left  bears great responsibility in
what is happening to the Palestinians now.

You have led them astray. They are so full of hate, and such
blind racists, that one can hardly blame them for being so
stupid as to pick a fight they can't win. You on the Left
have bought into their delusions by your tacit ( but not
real physical ) support and given them the idea that they
can win through violence. How? By making every possible
excuse for their racism and butchery.

How stupid of you to think that Jews and Israelis in
particular take the same shallow, guilt ridden view of our
history that you do. Do you really wonder why we don't take
world opinion to heart?

Did you really think that the Jews of the world would allow
the destruction of one third of it's population in the
Middle East after what happened in the last century? You may
be tired of holocaust this, and holocaust that. But really,
you should have been smart enough to understand that it's
still real to us.

This is a gigantic failure of conscious mentation. It
doesn't matter to most of us if you like us or not.

I hope this gets your attention because if the situation in
Israel gets to the point of regional war, and the Israelis
face annihilation, the cost will be  FAR HIGHER than what it
was in the past.

It's time to put your latent racism aside and get smart. The
ONLY right and moral choices from this point on are those
which will prevent all out war. That means that you get
through your thick skulls that Israel will not commit
suicide for the sake of the Palestinians and their racist
friends.

N

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Dear N.

I can only say that your attitude itself, in my view, is a
major part of the problem.  I'm not saying it's a primary
cause, but it enables the Israeli regime to pursue its
strategy of suppression and provocation.  I consider the
people of Israel to be as much the victim of these policies
as are the Palestinians.  The policies drive a spiral of
escalation that brings the suicide bombings and threatens a
wider war whose awesome consequences could only be guessed
at.

Following 911, the USA is now rapidly trying to catch up
with Israel for the tile of 'most paranoid nation'.  And as
in Israel, the race is driven by an extremist, lying media,
and by top officials just this side of Genghis Khan.  First
create terrorism, and then massacre civilian populations
with high-power weapons.  It's a sick scenario, and it's
time we stop letting them get by with it.  That's what the
Nuremberg trials were all about.

rkm

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