-------------------------------------------------------- From: •••@••.••• Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2006 05:10:20 EDT To: •••@••.••• THANKS VERY MUCHO---Re: more dialog re Fitts, Russo, "R", liberals, etc... --- Glad it was useful to you. I think I was off the mark, however, in using the label 'liberal' in the analysis. I think it would have been better to talk about how some people hide their head in the sand one way, and some people in other ways. If the shoe fits someone, they can wear it, but no need to give the shoe a label. rkm -------------------------------------------------------- From: M To: "Richard Moore" <•••@••.•••> Subject: Re: Israel purposely allowing Hezbollah to send rockets into Israel Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 06:24:11 -0500 With the fascists running things you never know, Israel may run Hezbollah. Just as the U$A Fascist Ruling Class created the fake "Islamic Terrorist" menace to continue their Trillion dollar looting scheme for "defense", to control the local enemy (the general USA populace), and to be able to murder the "left" around the world. (i.e. "Islamic Terrorists" will conveniently show up where ever there is a working class revolt. Very convenient. Hey what about those 1001 Problems with the 9/11 Fable? (i.e. the "Official Conspiracy theory" Presented by the U$A Controlled Gibberish Outlets aka the corporate media. This government makes all decent intelligent people retch. --------- Hi M, You seem to be a bit angry, and I'm there with you. ;-) Israel running Hezbollah? I suspect hyperbole on your part, however it is a theory that deserves to be considered, but ultimately rejected. There are many genuine freedom fighter movements in the world, not all are assets of imperialist powers. Hezbollah seems to be one of those, as their actions make perfect sense from a Lebanese perspective. Besides, from an Israeli perspective, Hezbollah, by trying to defend Lebanon, fits right into Israel's propaganda agenda. They are 'controlling' Hezbollah merely by provoking them to act. As regards 911: according to recent polls, something like 40% of Americans now believe the government was involved in some way in the 911 ("New Pearl Harbor") incident. And yet people keep talking about how the 'Truth Movement' needs to go mainstream, needs to be represented in the mainstream media. What is this saying about our sense of ourselves as citizens? 40% is a VERY large number in terms of public awareness. Consider, for example, that the American Revolution was actively supported by only about 20% of the population, the rest 'went along' for various reasons (voluntary or otherwise). Consider also that if someone owns only 5% of a corporate stock, they can usually manage to control the Board (barring the existence of other large blocks of stock). We seem to be in a situation where none of us consider anything to be 'real' unless we see it on CNN, regardless of how many of us already know it's true. Does this make sense? rkm -------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 20:11:33 +0800 To: •••@••.••• From: B Subject: Re: Israel purposely allowing Hezbollah to send rockets into Israel Well, foreknowledge of Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor as one stratagem among oodles of others like WTC engineered by Bush Admin. for manipulation of the masses. Betty ---------- knowledge of history is very important in accurately interpreting current events - rkm -------------------------------------------------------- From: •••@••.••• Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 16:47:26 EDT Subject: Re: Israel purposely allowing Hezbollah to send rockets into Israel To: •••@••.••• Richard, Here's my take, for whatever it's worth. Wars are usually fought for economic reasons, irrespective of what political leaders say. The Israeli/Lebanon conflict (plus supporting casts) has, what I believe, a central economic reason, i.e. water from the Litani river which Israel desperately needs for further expansion. (Here are two good sites to consider -- THE LITANI RIVER OF LEBANON: http://web.macam.ac.il/~arnon/Int-ME/water/THE%20LITANI%20RIVER.htm ICE Cases: Litani River Dispute: http://www.american.edu/ted/ice/litani.htm Both were written well before the present conflict started. Ricks is probably right----but doesn't consider all the reasons. With rockets reaching inside Israel, a need for a much wider buffer zone can, and probably will, be the central theme of an Israeli PR program for a much wider occupied buffer zone including at least one side of the Litani. I believe Israel has the patience to achieve its goal little by little and gaining control of southern Lebanon, south of the Litani would provide water it much needs for further expansion while consolidating its gains and planing its next move. I'm still skeptical about an attack on Iran. Disrupting the movement of oil out of the Persian Gulf, even for a few weeks, could plunge much of the World into a depression. The oil companies probably wouldn't like that. But, we can only guess, basing our guesses on what little relevant information we have. Best wishes, Tom ----------- Hi Tom, The Litani River does appear to be part of the agenda, and yes, provoking Hezbollah to attack deeper in Israel would aid in that objective. But I'm not sure if that objective can be obtained if there is an international force in the buffer zone. I wouldn't describe Israel as 'patient'. I'd say rather 'relentless'. The considerations around an Iran invasion are far too complex to be expressed in a single sentence about oil companies. Yes there might be a global economic collapse, and that might be exactly what is being planned. The game is about global domination, and in that game millions of suffering people and some short-term oil-profit losses may be simply the eggs that must be broken to make omelettes. rkm -------------------------------------------------------- From: M2 To: Richard Moore <•••@••.•••> Subject: Re: Israel purposely allowing Hezbollah to send rockets into Israel You bother me by posting the below item without a URL. So of course I check it out at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/06/rs.01.html But you bother me even more by propagating a suggestion made by RICKS based on what he sez - that he's reporting on what anonymous "military analysts" are suggesting, -- without anything to support the factual basis. When I was a kid in the UK of the 1940's, we would make up stories that the Brit soldiers evacuated from France via Dunkirk had purposely abandoned medical supplies - mostly castor oil for the purpose of "improving" the moral of German troops. This thing of Ricks is just as ludicrous ---- Hi M2, The Hezbollah rocket attacks are critically important in the propaganda justification for Israel's ongoing assault. Why do you consider it ludicrous that Israel would want to keep this justification in place? And what would be the purpose of a Washington Post reporter, or military analysts, in planting such a story if it is false? rkm -------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2006 18:00:42 -0700 To: "•••@••.•••" <•••@••.•••> From: L Subject: Great Book!!! Richard, Wait'll you hear this . . . without me knowing it, my wife ordered your book after hearing about it on one of her mailing lists. When it came, she excitedly showed it to me and said, "Now THIS is a book you HAVE to read!" . . . As soon as I saw your name on the cover I knew she was right. . . . Until this moment, she had no idea that you and I had corresponded once, and that I'm a fan of your mailing list emails. So I wanted to let you know that your message is spreading to the people who need to hear it, AND it is coming at us from many directions. I hope you have a great success in continuing to get your thoughts widely known. Peace, love, & light, L ----- Hi L, Thanks, that's very encouraging news. World-of-mouth is the main way the book will get known, and your report is a favorable indicator. It looks like our August sales will be about twice our July sales, which is another favorable indicator. cheers, rkm -- -------------------------------------------------------- Escaping the Matrix website http://escapingthematrix.org/ cyberjournal website http://cyberjournal.org subscribe cyberjournal list mailto:•••@••.••• Posting archives http://cyberjournal.org/show_archives/ Blogs: cyberjournal forum http://cyberjournal-rkm.blogspot.com/ Achieving real democracy http://harmonization.blogspot.com/ for readers of ETM http://matrixreaders.blogspot.com/ Community Empowerment http://empowermentinitiatives.blogspot.com/ Blogger made easy http://quaylargo.com/help/ezblogger.html
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