weekend dialog, 27 Feb

2005-02-27

Richard Moore

                
                 I see trees of green, red roses too
                 I see them bloom for me and you
                 And I think to myself, what a wonderful world
                
                 I see skies of blue and clouds of white
                 The bright blessed day, the dark sacred night
                 And I think to myself, what a wonderful world
                
                 The colours of the rainbow, so pretty in the sky
                 Are also on the faces of people going by
                 I see friends shakin' hands, sayin' "How do you do?"
                 They're really saying "I love you"
                
                 I hear babies cryin', I watch them grow
                 They'll learn much more than I'll ever know
                 And I think to myself, what a wonderful world
                 Yes, I think to myself, what a wonderful world 

                 - lyrics by George David Weiss and Bob Thiele, 
                  immortalized by  Louis Armstrong, bless his soul

midi version of tune:
           http://www.links2love.com/music/wonderfulworld.mid

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From: C
To: •••@••.•••
Subject: RE: reader dialog - 17 Feb
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:07:05 -0700

Richard:

I apologize for not providing feedback. I've been swamped with
political and job work.  A poor excuse to be sure as I realize
how hard it is to write without meaningful feedback.  I will
get you your chapters this week.

Re your finances: are things OK or will you need a supplement
to keep doing what you do so well. I'd be happy to help if
this is still needed.

Best,
C

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Dear C,

No apologies necessary; I ask for feedback but I know everyone
has their own lives and activities.  And so many revisions...
who can keep up? Nonetheless, over the months I've gotten lots
of very valuable feedback and the book has changed in
fundamental ways as a result. The acknowledgements will refer
to our dialog process.

As far as supplements go, there is an ongoing need. There are
a few of you who have been generously helping out, and I know
you don't want to be named. But still things are very tight
from week to week. This week I ended up with 5 Euro to last
for the whole weekend.  And yesterday my printer and my vacuum
cleaner both stopped working. There's always something!

best regards,
rkm

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From: •••@••.•••
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 14:30:12 EST
Subject: Re: MER: Onward Toward World War III
To: •••@••.•••

Very informative, thank you Richard.

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From: "Robert E. Reynolds" <•••@••.•••>
To: <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: Onward Toward World War III
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:18:46 -0500

You have in the Bush administration those that served his
father.  Bush senior believed we could survive a nuclear war. 
Some in his administration now serving in this administration 
advocated a preemptive war against Russia with nuclear
weapons.

They are the true believers in the use of nuclear weapons and
in the PNAC concept of world domination and preemptive war on
the basis of preventing anyone from challenging our power now
or in the future.

Russia is faced with encirclement and with a US government
that considers them an enemy still.  Gen. Ivanov in particular
often says we know who the real enemy is and has said they
would launch a preemptive attack to protect themselves. 
Certainly faced with having to capitulate to US domination the
Russian nationalists, patriots if you will, might well decide
at some point to gamble it all.

Some of the Bush supporters and advisors from the religious
right, the Christian Zionists, would welcome such a
confrontation.  Its a necessary step towards the second coming
and anyone reading the Last Day Novels would realize that the
death of billions means nothing to them.

Oddly enough people like Hal Lindsey and Impe (religious
advisors) predict the destruction of the US by Russia.  That
doesn't bother them either.

This would make a great B movie if weren't so damn scary and
liable to get us all killed.

bob reynolds, orange park fl

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From: •••@••.•••
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:52:28 EST
Subject: Re: reader dialog - 17 Feb
To: •••@••.•••

Richard, my friend, not for the first time do I feel compelled
to tell you something like this.  Do you think your writing is
a mathematical solution to a problem, for which you need input
pointing out your errors in formula, arithmetic, etc?  No,
writing is to a large extent an art of course, and you can
only get "subjective" opinions on it apart from the probably
infrequent times that you have a clear error of fact.  Why
isn't your own opinion sufficient, particularly since you like
what you write?  When does the process, as you define it, end?
 How much input is enough to "solve the problem"?  To "fix"
what you've done?  To make it "perfect"?  There's no end, is
there?  Perhaps the reason you haven't had any feedback on
this chapter is that people are tired of giving you feedback? 
Perhaps they think you should just go ahead and "finish" it,
and send it off somewhere!

fraternally,
Bill

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Dear Bill,

I understand your frustration with my process. Believe me,
however, that it has been necessary. The scope of the material
is very broad, and there's no way I can be an expert in all of
the topics, and in fact I'm not an expert on any of them. What
I've been doing over the years is putting ideas up the flag
pole to see who salutes and who shoots them down. Feedback on
my first attempt at "history of humanity", for example, caused
me to read "Chalice and the Blade" and a couple of other books,
and that shifted my treatment considerably.  The whole process
has been truly collaborative.

Not only do people point out where I've got it wrong, but they
also point out, sometimes inadvertently, where the material is
unclear. This is equally important to the mission of the book.
What I'm trying to do is to shift people's consciousness in
fundamental ways, and that is not easy. For most people, I
don't even think it's possible by means of written material.
But there are some who will be ready, and it is for them that
I write. For the rest, only the harmonization process itself
can do the job.

But take heart, the process is converging. There's only one
more chapter and an Introduction that need to get a
final-draft treatment. After that it's just a matter of some
fine-tuning and putting in footnotes.

thanks for your patience and concern,
rkm

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From: "Brian Hill" <•••@••.•••>
To: <•••@••.•••>
Subject: RE: 11,000 US soldiers dead from DU poisoning
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 16:09:50 -0800
Organization: Institute  for Cultural Ecology

Disgusting bastards - this should wake some people up.  Thanks

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Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 04:24:28 -0500
From: <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: 11,000 US soldiers dead from DU poisoning
To: <•••@••.•••>

THanks, Richard, for the depleted uranium story.  Not news in
general -- but it is in particular.  I'm sending it to many
people with a note.

Sorry not to respond to your manuscripts but I'm also writing
things and although I read a lot the pressure of reading to
edit and criticize, esp when writing, is ... enough to make it
not happen.

I'm leaving in a few days for Sarajevo, where I was during the
war a number of times.  IN connection with a screenplay I'm
writing, of all things.  Curious what the place will be like,
ten years after, more or less.  It's home to a marvelous
mini-society that I want to survive.  Whether or not it can
...  Perhaps will have a better idea in a few weeks.

Cheers, in any case,
Bill Ney

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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:42:39 -0800
From: Rob Bolman <•••@••.•••>
X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
To: •••@••.•••
Subject: Re: 11,000 US soldiers dead from DU poisoning

            > He added, "Out of the 580,400 soldiers who served in GW1
            (the first Gulf War), of them, 11,000 are now dead! By the
            year 2000, there were 325,000 on Permanent Medical
            Disability.

Richard,

How reliable are the above statistics?  How do the 11,000 dead
differ from the predictable background rate of mortality among
people of that demographic. I've been harping to my local
newspaper about DU for 6 or 8 years now.  If the above numbers
are absolutely sound, I'll be launching a major phone and
email stint.

I always enjoy receiving your posts.
Thanks,
Rob Bolman

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Dear Bob,

At the bottom of that posting three references are cited along
with the email address of the author. I suggest those would be
useful to check the statistics. Of course the worst effects of
DU are on the populations where the weapons are being used. I
consider it to be intentional genocide, pure and simple. I've
received dozens of articles about the effects of DU and they
are truly heartbreaking. If I get time I'll post some of them
to newslog.

good luck with your efforts!
rkm

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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 19:21:08 -0800
To: •••@••.•••
From: "Fred V. Cook" <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: 11,000 US soldiers dead from DU poisoning

Thanks, Richard.

The people of New Mexico, where DU was first tested, were
right - unfortunately the US government chose to ignore their
tragic observations. DU kills, sometimes quickly, sometimes
slowly, but using it, as the US has been is clearly a
violation of international law in that (a) it kills
indiscriminately AND (b) it continues killing long after the
hostilities have ceased.

Keep up the good work,
Fred

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Fred,

I don't think the tragic observations were ignored. Rather,
they confirmed the efficacy of the technology as a tool of
genocide. In order for capitalism to continue, billions must
die. As Kissinger says, "You can't make omelettes without
breaking eggs."

rkm

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From: •••@••.•••
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:52:24 EST
Subject: Re: Ch 7: ENVISIONING A LIBERATED GLOBAL SOCIETY
To: •••@••.•••

Richard,

Have read several times - trying to pick holes in it and I
can't!  I think it is a lot better than the original and I
like it very much.  One small criticism - it does appear to
end quite abruptly.  I would like to have seen a short summary
at the end. I liked the bit in the original where you wrote
something along the lines that greater minds will be applied
to the issues and We The People undoubtedly have the
collective ability to solve apparent difficulties for the
greater good, without resorting to aggression and strife. 

Great stuff,
jim

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Jim,

Thanks for the review. Your feedback is typical of what has
been so helpful to the book. I too felt the material ended
abruptly, but I was without inspiration at the the time. Your
reminder is just what I need!

good man (an Irish version of "thank you")
rkm

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From: "Tony Troughton-Smith" <•••@••.•••>
To: <•••@••.•••>
Subject: RE: Chapter 8: THE TRANSITION PROCESS
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:30:24 +0800
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Importance: Normal

Richard - what's this Chapter 8 from?   I though it was going
to be your "Escaping the Matrix" but the chapter 8 there has a
different title - 'The Liberation of Human Consciousness'.  I
just want to know so I can (maybe!) start at the beginning,
since I've only recently joined the mailing list and haven't
received the earlier posts (assuming they existed).

Thank you!

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Tony,

I realize it is difficult to keep up with the revisions and reorganizations.  
Here's the 'final' Table Of Contents:
            
            Introduction
            Chapter 1   The Matrix
            Chapter 2   A brief history of humanity
            Chapter 3   We the People and the transformational imperative
            Chapter 4   The harmonization imperative
            Chapter 5   The power of dialog
            Chapter 6   Envisioning a transformational movement
            Chapter 7   Envisioning a liberated global society
            Chapter 8   The transition process
            Chapter 9   Reflections on humanity's future
            Annotated bibliography
            Appendix 1: Some simple facilitation methods: A Primer

Ironically, given the scope of material, the book is very short, 
less than 150 pages. When it's done, I'm hoping some will still 
have the endurance to review it as a whole in MSWord format. 
It will make much more sense in that form.

cheers,
rkm

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