@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:10:12 -0800 Sender: •••@••.••• (Andrew Curry) Subject: Re: cj#293> re: Eleven Rules of Corp Behavior > Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:23:47 -0800 > Sender: Arun Mehta <•••@••.•••> > Subject: Re: cj#289> Mander: Eleven Rules Corporate Behavior > > > Karl Marx was right: a worker is not compensated > > for full value of his or her labor -- neither is the raw > > material supplier. The owners of capital skim off part of > > the value as profit. Profit is based on underpayment. > > I never quite figured out why Marx, when he considered "cost of labor" > did not consider "cost of capital." The capitalist has an opportunity > cost. He can invest in a company, or simply earn interest by putting the > money in the bank. It's a long time since I read this stuff, but from memory, the reason that Marx did not consider "cost of capital" was because he believed that the accumulation of capital in a non-socialist society involved expropriation somewhere along the line, either economic or political. And of course, if you look at it from his point of view, he was mostly right (almost the only area where it's possible to argue that the accumulation of wealth doesn't involve expropriation of surplus value is in the culture industries, at least to the extent that the money going to the artist (eg The Beatles) is the exchange of money earned from use value for pleasure.) Equally, the Beatles CDs would be cheaper if they didn't involve EMI, etc, taking their percentage of surplus value at the various stages of the manufacturing and distribution process. And I suppose we can also forgive Marx for overlooking this point since he died before the mass production of cultural products became a social phenomenon. Arun's argument really turns on what degree of skimming/expropriation of surplus value represents a fair return to the capitalist, assuming you don't start from Marx's hard line position. But capitalists never seem to see it like that, strangely enough. Andrew Curry. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~--~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~ Posted by Richard K. Moore <•••@••.•••> Wexford, Ireland (USA citizen) Editor: The Cyberjournal (@CPSR.ORG) See the CyberLib at: http://www.internet-eireann.ie/cyberlib See Cyber-Rights library: http://jasper.ora.com/andyo/cyber-rights/cyber-rights.html You are encouraged to forward and cross-post messages and online materials for non-commercial use, provided they are copied in their entirety, with all headers, signatures, etc., intact. ~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~--~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=~
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