dialog re/global warming etc.


Richard Moore

From: "June Ross" <•••@••.•••>
To: "Strong Communities/Coalitions" <•••@••.•••>
Cc: "Richard Moore" <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Mar. 26th - RE -mar. 25th -  Biofuels Boom Spurring Deforestation
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:03:19 -0700

The note below was written by an amazing scientist who lives on this 
Island. Thank you Gordon for taking the time to write!


----- Original Message ----- Re: mar. 25th - Biofuels Boom Spurring 

Hi June, This is why I am concerned with what I call 'linear 
technology'. We will not "solve" the problems of the world this way. 
Forests should be among the last things to be depleted on this 
planet. Wind power is no panacea either. The article mentions 
ecosystem services. Costanza et al., about 1996, I believe, estimated 
that the value of ecosystem services, worldwide, was near $33 
trillion. We will not make it if we destroy the capacity of the 
planet to provide these services. Yet that is what we are doing, see 
the "Millennium Ecosystem Assessment Synthesis Report".  We need a 
paradigm shift, a different relationship with the planet, and we need 
to end the growth disease. Please go back and read the little piece 
that I sent you long ago - "Converging Ecological Crises: ----". Our 
species will/must find a way to do things differently, to level out 
population and economic growth; ultimately to drop us back to around 
one or two billion people on this planet. If we can't find a way to 
do this, nature will do it for us. Much the chaos in this latter 
scenario will come in the guise of human conflict, but under it all 
will be the biological reality that we have exceeded the capacity of 
the earth. The last billion years of bio-geological history is 
littered with the record of extinct species. I do not believe that 
there is any cosmic rule that guarantees us indefinite tenure. 
Stephan Crane, long ago wrote:

"A man said to the universe, "Sir, I exist", However, replied the 
universe, that fact has not created in me any sense of obligation"


Hi June,

Thanks for forwarding Gordon's comments. He makes the point very 
well, that the 'solutions' being proposed by governments have nothing 
to do with solving any of our problems. You can't expect a paradigm 
shift from the owners of the current paradigm.


Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:45:37 -0800
Subject: Re: Global warming etc -- cure always worse than disease
From: Radical Press <•••@••.•••>
To: Richard Moore <•••@••.•••>


The more I read the more you sound like an unwitting gatekeeper. 
Don't get lost in all of it. The simple truth is that the 
Jewish/Zionist/Banking cartel is at the bottom of it all. That is the 
vital issue YOU need to address. Governments, global warming, etc are 
all but herring dangling before you, serving to distract, while the 
main agenda of nation destroying and global totalitarianism proceeds 
along its terrifying course. As with the science, don't let the 
Intellect overshadow your Intuition.

Peace & Light,

Arthur Topham
Radical Press


Hi Arthur,

Sorry, but I don't see where we disagree, except that I don't think 
the ethnicity of the bankers is of central significance. What I was 
saying is that global warming is a distraction. How is that being a 
gatekeeper, given your point of view?


Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:07:25 -0800
From: "David Schwartzman" <•••@••.•••>
To: •••@••.•••
Subject: Re: Global warming etc -- cure always worse than disease
Cc: •••@••.•••

Dear Richard,

Not only are you in continued denial about the best available 
evidence regarding the likelihood of catastrophic climate change (C3) 
occurring if greenhouse gas emissions are not curbed, but your 
analysis below fails miserably in capturing the real interconnections 
between the  political economy of global capitalism its assault on 
the natural and human environments and the political response 
necessary to a avoid C3.

In lieu of a rebuttal, here is a column I did that appeared in Portside:

Tidbits - February 18, 2007
* Re: Dreaming Up New Politics, by Stephen Duncombe
         ...With the likelihood of climate change catastrophe in a
         few decades the  biggest obstacle to its prevention is the
         U.S. Imperial Project to protect and continue our oil and
         fossil fuel addiction....The necessary resources for
         creating an alternative renewable energy infrastructure must
         come in large part from demilitarization, considering the
         colossal waste of energy and resources by MIC.
             So by about 2050 we either will have a much more peaceful
         and sustainable world if we succeed or a much more miserable
         and dangerous one if we don't...We can get there by building
         a broad transnational movement for solarization that
         connects the long term effects of fossil fuel consumption to
         its presently perceived negative impacts, such as urban air
         pollution...Agroecology can replace fossil-fuel intensive
         industrial agriculture. Organic food, clean air and water,
         full employment is our alternative. This is the other world
         that is possible.


Hi David,

As with Arthur above, you seem to be criticizing me for agreeing with 
you. Strange.


From: "Rex Green" <•••@••.•••>
To: <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: Global warming etc -- cure always worse than disease
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:56:53 -0700


Your message below sparked my memory of passages from the second
chapter of "Escaping the Matrix."  I quote from page 81:

        "In later chapters I will argue that the formula
         itself--representation as a basis for democracy--is
         inherently flawed.  The various corruptions we observe are
         in fact expressions of the natural dynamics of the 'game' of
         electoral politics.  In trying to reform these systems, we
         are like the donkey trying to catch up with the dangling
         carrot, which is always just out of reach."

You would think that after 6500 years, some of us would have come up 
with a way to break out of this game.  Oh no.  We still think the 
Democrats will rein in Bush before he nukes Iran.  Money is used as 
the lever of power by the conquerors, or outsiders.  As you point out 
elsewhere in your book, private banks owned by a few Jewish families 
control our money supply and run us through economic cycles to 
cleanse us of any wealth we accumulate.

I hope other readers of your posting are catching on to what you are 
saying.  Then, perhaps we can dialogue about a way to gradually 
replace the New World Order with a more collaborative alternative.  I 
am developing an alternative type of business organization that might 
turn the trick.  More on this later.  Meanwhile, keep up the rant!



Hi RG,

I never say anything about "Jewish families" in the book! I do have 
suggestions about a more collaborative alternative. Have you read the 
rest of the book? Looking forward to hearing about your business 


From: "Howard Switzer" <•••@••.•••>
To: <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: Global warming etc -- cure always worse than disease
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:43:32 -0500

There was a debate on one of the lists I'm on recently that generated 
tons of info, scientific and political, on every aspect of the issue 
you can imagine.  Here is a wrap up of the general consensus of the 

I would only add that the "government" is clearly controlled by the 
banks and has been for many decades, as Aaron Russo's new documentary 
shows. <http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&hl=en>

Many of their corporations are larger economies than countries. 
There is a ton of info on how they do it.  Did you read Confessions 
of an Economic Hit-man?  

Every once in a while a person's morals trump the job they are doing 
and we get a peek behind the mask.

Howard Switzer


Hi Howard,

Did you forget the 'wrap up'?


From: "Sirius" <•••@••.•••>
To: <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Global Warming, Global Hot Air
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:47:42 +0100

         Warmer, Warmer
         John Lanchester


Hi Sirus,

Interesting article. I see this as the key sentence:

        "The changes that are needed are global and structural, and
         anything which distracts attention from that is potentially



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