cj#925> Readers comments: Posting Topics


Richard Moore

Date:   Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:15:03 -0400
From:   Eric Fawcett <•••@••.•••>
To:     •••@••.•••
Subject: Re: cj#924> A request for input re/ posting topics

NOT Kosovo itself, since usually I've already seen items you include in
the postings.

INSTEAD analysis:

1] political: your paper on Fascism looks VERY interesting, and I'll print
it out today to read it. But your reader's criticism indicates the
magnitude of the problem, namely that fascism is deep-rooted in Western
societies, but especially in those most ardent in prosecuting war on
behalf of human rights--USA and UK [and one fears in Germany too]

2] media influence: of course Herman and Chomsky have identified the
problem in their classic "Manufacturing Consent", but their influence is
much more insidious than most people realise.

How else to account for the cognitive dissonance you encounter when people
agree with all the good reasons to opposse US-NATO bombing, and then say,
"but you have to do something." It's Pavlovian!

The only cure is abstinence, i.e., read mainstream media sparingly and
very critically, listen to radio news only if it's really important to be
right up to date, and NEVER watch TV "news" which in fact is a mix of
entertainment and propaganda like all TV content. Internet has now become
my main source of international news.

But we all need much more time for reflection and discussion [NOT between
talking heads on TV]. Whenever I travel and come home having not kept up
with the news, I realize that I've actually gained in understanding.

3] Deep analysis: why did US/NATO really attack Yugoslavia?  The real
reason is manifestly not defence of human rights--you might as well credit
Hitler with that reason when you read about the propaganda about brutally
persecuted Germans in Czechoslovakia that suurounded the invasion in 1938.

Global hegemony through economic globalization with military intervention
when nations protest too vigorously?; the need for NATO to find a new
mission?; the need to test their modern weaponry?; the mineral wealth of
Kosovo?; the need to teach Russia that they are really defeated?; the need
to stamp outv the vestiges of communist thinking in the social democracy
that Yugoslavia had become?; the need to test the new instrument of US
aggression--"humanitarian intervention"?

We need analysis NOT more of what the media give us WAR

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 99 08:47:29 -0500
From: <•••@••.•••>
To: <•••@••.••• >
Subject: RE: cj#924> A request for input re/ posting topics

In response to your request for possible topics of interest, two situations
I am
curious about are:

        1. Israel/Palentine and the "Peace Process"
        2. Cuba/Castro

I'm a relatively new reader (2 weeks) so maybe these have already been
at length.



Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:44:44 -0400
To: •••@••.•••
From: "Clark, Elisabeth" <•••@••.•••>
Subject: Re: cj#924> A request for input re/ posting topics


I find that you are doing a remarkable job with compending information
behind what's being perpetrated.  I favour the *multiple essays in one*
approach as these are the most useful for those of us who are forwarding cj
internationally.  Another progressive service who is covering well in bulk
distribution format is "Red Rock Eater News Service" out of UCLA.

Specifically on Kosovo, I think the economics of funding the war needs more
input as does reporting on the haneous depleted uranium weapons.  I am also
interested to know if US/NATO have suffered any human casualities.  There
are no mainstream reports on this.

However, if articles are being submitted on *what else* is going on in the
name of globalization, while the world is preoccupied with war is
_extremely _important right now.  If we realize that we are being
anesticized by the contrived violence, certainly other TN agenda items are
moving forward.  One particular evil is embodied by Monsanto and the
Terminator Seed.  I have read that Monsanto will have succeeded in
patenting 90% of the world's seeds in about a year from now.

Peace in our time

Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:07:40 +0800
To: •••@••.•••
From: Betty Daly-King <•••@••.•••>
Subject: cj input

Thank you very much for the information which you have been sending.  I am
selectively doing print-outs and mailing to news media, politicians and
friends not on internet as I find appropriate for the person's interests.
I am very pleased with what you are doing and can only say a very big

Betty Daly-King

Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:58:27 -0500
To: •••@••.•••
From: •••@••.••• (Forrest Lunn)
Subject: Keep Posting on Yugoslavia!

Yes please keep posting on Yugoslavia. I've found several of your forwarded
articles extremely interesting and thought-provoking, in particular "A
German Insider's View" (#922) and the collection of pieces in (#921). It's
hard to believe a lot of the stuff in these articles of course, but given
the insanity of what's going on and the fact that whatever the truth is
we're obviously being lied to by our own governments, I find myself much
more patient than previously with cranky sounding conspiracy theories and
extreme cynicism about the motives of the governments of the western
"democracies." In particular I'd be interested in info from other sources
about Bilderbergers and about the fact that *no one* is mentioning the
Trepca mines (I checked NYT article about these:it has been quoted
accurately and contains interesting info not mentioned in your posting
about the Albanians who previously worked in these mines and who protested
at the time of the break up of Yugoslavia against Serbian nationalism and
in favour of a return to Titoism; I could forward this to you if you wanted

I also wanted to mention that on Saturday morning (April 24) on a Radio
Canada program called 'The House' there was a most remarkable interview
with a former Canadian ambassador to Yugoslavia; his name was something
like 'James Bissonne'.He was extremely critical of the bombing and
extremely negative in his prognosis. In many ways what he said was
comparable to what Satish Nambiar said in your posting #919 -- but much
stronger. If you could possibly get a transcript of this and post, it you'd
be doing a real service especially to Canadians who are opposed to the
bombing. If I manage to get a transcript I'll certainly send it to your.

Finally I want to say that I originally joined your list (about a year ago)
because of my interest in (real) democracy. One reason I hope you'll keep
posting on Yugoslavia is that in doing so you're helping to reveal the
power of the elite and the powerlessness of the people -- and so performing
a great service to the cause of democracy. Please keep up the good work.



PS> Just discovered that the NYT article on the Stari Trg mines in Yugoslavia
is available free at


Incidentally, it refers wrongly to Stari *Tng*. The version that I bought
from the archives included a correction of this error.

From: "Adkins, Gerald" <•••@••.•••>
To: "'•••@••.•••'" <•••@••.•••>
Subject: RE: cj#921> Richard Poe: The TRUTH behind the KOSOVO war - Bilder
        berg GOLD
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:25:31 -0700

Richard, thanks so much for this information - it certainly puts a different
light on what our duplicitous government is up to in the Balkans.
Unfortunately, like you say, it will be the "sheeple" that will pay the
ultimate price.  One thing I would like to say for our side.  With the
miracle of e-mail connecting more and more intelligent, thinking people -
eventually their collective understanding will make it impossible for the
corporate media giants to get away with only printing propaganda that they
want us to hear.

Again you have my gratitude for your illuminating article.  Jerry

Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 02:23:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Martinot <•••@••.•••>
To: •••@••.•••
Subject: on Kosovo


        It was really good to read your piece on Kosovo. You put it
together the same way I have been; so it is good to know that there
is someone else who can get past the hype. People like that are few and
far between here in California.

        I would offer one idea. I think the term "ethnic cleansing" has
to be used carefully if at all. It is really a derogatory term, and not
a descriptive term; it functions at the heart of the demonization
campaign that you describe so well. Indeed, all demonization has to
make use of derogation in one form or another. The term was originally
coined by a Bosnian journalist, sometime around 1992 or 1993. He used it
once. The US propaganda machine picked it up and inflated it for all it
was worth. Now all the situations to which it is applied lose their
complexity, and become simplistic situations, as soon as it is applied.
I would council against using it, though it should be examined and
critiqued as part of opposing this horrendous war.

take care,

Steve Martinot



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